Phase 4 of the MCU: A Mixed Bag

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I’m sure people loved khann! when it came out, but comparing retro iconic moments to movies as they come out, especially with a cross generational AND transitional media age along with a pandemic that made the studio industry go belly up, is silly.

[Riedquat]

Perhaps. But in terms of cultural penetration? There is nothing that compares to ''Luke I am your father'' and ''KHANNNNN!!!'' Even people who hate Star Wars or Star Trek have heard those lines and can tell you where they are from and that is multi-generational.
That is having the cultural zeitgeist.

I will concede on balance that the Prequel Trilogy has far more cultural penetration than the Sequel trilogy with the likes of Jar Jar, Darth Maul and ''I hate sand.'' I would bet actual money though that if you surveyed a thousand non-Star Wars fans they couldn't tell you anything about the Disney era of Star Wars except PERHAPS Baby Yoda.

Has ist occured to you, that the cultural Zeitgeist of the modern times kinda goes past you? How many youngsters are you actually interacting with, with any regularity? Can you even say, that you are "in the loop"? And after all, this goes both ways. How much can you really say about a girl named Shirin David, for example? After all, you may know nothing....

I think in a way that's the point. Something my generation is even less likely to notice is now in the same place, and clinging to Marvel being might be like clinging to Star Wars was. Arguably Star Wars (and Trek for that matter) were pretty unique overall in their level of cultural penetration though, to the point even those with no interest had at least heard of them. I don't think "KHAAAN!" is that recognised by those with no interest in Trek.

I've never heard of Shirin David, whoever that is...

[Thebestoftherest]

Let's be honest I am Iron man will be the I am your father of our generation.

[clearspira]

I’m sure people loved khann! when it came out, but comparing retro iconic moments to movies as they come out, especially with a cross generational AND transitional media age along with a pandemic that made the studio industry go belly up, is silly.

Considering that both Nemesis and Into Darkness ripped off Khan, I think we can safely say that its cultural penetration got it to at least 2010.

[clearspira]

Ask a Star Wars fan their favourite film and it'll probably be The Empire Strikes Back.
Ask a Star Trek fan their favourite film and it'll probably be The Wrath of Khan.

I dunno, I think you might be suffering Gen-X bias.

Perhaps. But in terms of cultural penetration? There is nothing that compares to ''Luke I am your father'' and ''KHANNNNN!!!'' Even people who hate Star Wars or Star Trek have heard those lines and can tell you where they are from and that is multi-generational.
That is having the cultural zeitgeist.

I will concede on balance that the Prequel Trilogy has far more cultural penetration than the Sequel trilogy with the likes of Jar Jar, Darth Maul and ''I hate sand.'' I would bet actual money though that if you surveyed a thousand non-Star Wars fans they couldn't tell you anything about the Disney era of Star Wars except PERHAPS Baby Yoda.

Has ist occured to you, that the cultural Zeitgeist of the modern times kinda goes past you? How many youngsters are you actually interacting with, with any regularity? Can you even say, that you are "in the loop"? And after all, this goes both ways. How much can you really say about a girl named Shirin David, for example? After all, you may know nothing....

I have no idea who that is, no. I'll be honest.

The zeitgeist however is easy to pin down: what makes money? AND what occupies a significant amount of positive social media time? That is why I am confident in saying that Trek and Wars have long since peaked and Marvel peaked just after Endgame.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I’m sure people loved khann! when it came out, but comparing retro iconic moments to movies as they come out, especially with a cross generational AND transitional media age along with a pandemic that made the studio industry go belly up, is silly.

Considering that both Nemesis and Into Darkness ripped off Khan, I think we can safely say that its cultural penetration got it to at least 2010.

Well sure they can try to copy/emulate/channel it and fail.

You were talking about these franchises generally creating contemporarily iconic moments. Whether or not they're influenced by former iconic moments is trivial.