Elon's Twitter

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He just created a poll asking, whether he should step down as CEO. The result is a resounding: FUCK OFF ALREADY. The "No"-votes do include peope who want to see him and Twitter crash and burn...

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I'm guessing this is related to the Tesla shareholders suing him for tanking the stock. Pretend it's vox populi and not that his board of directors gave him an ultimatum he couldn't afford to defy.
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He is only stepping down as CEO, not the owner.

Or in other words, nothing is actually happening. He'll still be the Kingmaker at Twitter he'll just be delegating the day-to-day running. And you can be sure that whoever he puts in there will not be of the Old Order.
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Madner Kami wrote: Mon Dec 19, 2022 10:33 am He just created a poll asking, whether he should step down as CEO. The result is a resounding: FUCK OFF ALREADY. The "No"-votes do include peope who want to see him and Twitter crash and burn...

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I would have voted NO if I had known about the poll. I would love to watch Twitter crash and burn. It has been a corrosion on the face of politics for a decade now.

The conclusion of this worldwide experiment is thus: Everyone has the right to an opinion but by God not everyone should have the right to put that opinion into motion.
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This is like the trump presidency all over again.
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clearspira wrote: Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:13 pm The conclusion of this worldwide experiment is thus: Everyone has the right to an opinion but by God not everyone should have the right to put that opinion into motion.
The majority of the world population would agree with that statement. Speech codes are extremely common even in the supposedly democratic West.

I think it would have been fine if Twitter had put whatever standards they wished into effect, if they hadn't also claimed they weren't responsible for content because they had no control over what people published.

They tried to have it both ways, so Twitter delenda est.
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It looks like Musk just made piecemeal changes that you’ll commonly hear from people concerning “what free speech is all about”, but eventually noticed that that isn’t really a functional transparent tenet of democracy in the way all the right wingers treat it.
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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:14 am It looks like Musk just made piecemeal changes that you’ll commonly hear from people concerning “what free speech is all about”, but eventually noticed that that isn’t really a functional transparent tenet of democracy in the way all the right wingers treat it.
Free speech without accountability is the problem.

I wouldn't want my photo and home address displayed to the right there. But let's be honest about this, we would all think harder about what we say online if it was. We would all, probably, be that little bit nicer.

That's the other thing that this social experiment called the Internet has taught us: when people do not fear prison or a punch to the face, then they have no fear. Most edgelords online wouldn't say a god damn thing to your face.
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clearspira wrote: Thu Dec 22, 2022 9:13 pm Free speech without accountability is the problem.
Ah, yes. "Accountability". Something everyone is for, until the speech that *they* want to make is decided to be unacceptable by the authorities, then it's tyranny.

The "Marketplace of Ideas" works remarkably well; I think half the problem with this debate is that there are certain kinds of people who don't believe in "markets" at all, or at least loudly claim not to as rhetoric.
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Frustration wrote: Thu Dec 22, 2022 9:57 pm
clearspira wrote: Thu Dec 22, 2022 9:13 pm Free speech without accountability is the problem.
Ah, yes. "Accountability". Something everyone is for, until the speech that *they* want to make is decided to be unacceptable by the authorities, then it's tyranny.

The "Marketplace of Ideas" works remarkably well; I think half the problem with this debate is that there are certain kinds of people who don't believe in "markets" at all, or at least loudly claim not to as rhetoric.
I'm actually with you on that. "Accountability" is nothing else but the threat of repression for stating your opinion. This is not a good thing. I agree that everyone being able to say everything has noticible disadvantages, but even uncomfortable truths need to be said and "accountability" prevents that in the real world just all too often, which is noticibly disadvantageous as well.
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