Is it ok to be white?

[Darth Wedgius]

I'm gonna say it's totally fair to be nervous/wary around things that say they are "Pro-white", because, well, any of ya'll familiar with the term "white genocide"? White Power? The fourteen words?

Pro-white statements are used as dogwhistles by racists in ways that, say, "black lives matter" are not.

There are those who took "black lives matter" as having a dogwhistle, especially with objections to "all lives matter." There's also some substantiation that "diversity" is "anti-white," if you stretch your ears far enough:

http://www.businessinsider.com/apples-v ... up-2017-10

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -sign.html

I take a skeptical eye toward both of those positions because the problem with dog whistles, IMHO, is that sometimes the sound you don't hear really isn't there, and it would be unfair to take those advocating "diversity" or that "black lives matter" as dishonest unless I had some really good evidence that's what it means to most of the people using it.

If one is allowed to take an innocuous statement such as "It's OK to be white" or "black lives matter" and attack it for what it doesn't say, without strong supporting evidence for that point of view, what speech is left?

Or, indeed, when the other side only hears what they want to hear anyway, what is the point of speaking at all?

[Antiboyscout]

There are those who took "black lives matter" as having a dogwhistle, especially with objections to "all lives matter." There's also some substantiation that "diversity" is "anti-white," if you stretch your ears far enough:


it would be unfair to take those advocating "diversity" or that "black lives matter" as dishonest unless I had some really good evidence that's what it means to most of the people using it.

Various BLM organizations on college campuses advocate, and have received, racially segregated cafeterias, dorms, and public spaces at various universities. When say racially segregated I mean, space is set aside for "students of color" only. No area is whites only.

I guess what's yours is mine and what's mine is mine for BLM.

[Beastro]

Anyone else remember that period in the late 80s and early 90s when it seemed like all of America's black and white issues were on their last legs where black families on TV were being all "white" and every white kid was celebrating whatever facet of black culture appealed to them the most?

I guess the whole thing with Rodney King can be looked on as the thing that to an zenith and was a harbinger for a new nadir.

[Draco Dracul]

I'm gonna say it's totally fair to be nervous/wary around things that say they are "Pro-white", because, well, any of ya'll familiar with the term "white genocide"? White Power? The fourteen words?

Pro-white statements are used as dogwhistles by racists in ways that, say, "black lives matter" are not.

There are those who took "black lives matter" as having a dogwhistle, especially with objections to "all lives matter." There's also some substantiation that "diversity" is "anti-white," if you stretch your ears far enough:

http://www.businessinsider.com/apples-v ... up-2017-10

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -sign.html

I take a skeptical eye toward both of those positions because the problem with dog whistles, IMHO, is that sometimes the sound you don't hear really isn't there, and it would be unfair to take those advocating "diversity" or that "black lives matter" as dishonest unless I had some really good evidence that's what it means to most of the people using it.

If one is allowed to take an innocuous statement such as "It's OK to be white" or "black lives matter" and attack it for what it doesn't say, without strong supporting evidence for that point of view, what speech is left?

Or, indeed, when the other side only hears what they want to hear anyway, what is the point of speaking at all?

True enough, on the other hand, the "It's okay to be white" campaign was organized on /pol specifically to be a dogwhistle and/or push people toward white supremacy.

[Darth Wedgius]

True enough, on the other hand, the "It's okay to be white" campaign was organized on /pol specifically to be a dogwhistle and/or push people toward white supremacy.

I'd need a citation for that. My understanding is that it was designed to expose double standards on the part of those who are reflexively anti-white by triggering over-the-top public reactions. To quote, "normies tune in to see what's going on, see the posters saying 'it's okay to be white' and the media & leftists frothing at the mouth" and "normies realize that leftists & journalists hate white people, so they turn on them."

I have a citation below (WARNING: contains mild profanity). Please note that I can certainly believe that many white supremacists would praise "it's okay to be white," but that's not the same thing as saying that the campaign was created with any dog whistling or coding in mind, any more than BLM was founded by people who think a black scientist named Yakub genetically engineered white people 6000 years ago.

[PlasmaHam]

^Good post

The Far-Left (and the media that sides with them) has become the laughing stock of American politics. Their ultra-sensitivity, fringe beliefs, and tendency to react "passionately" towards things they take offense to make them prime targets for trolls, or just people who want a good laugh. This situation here is obviously just trolls wanting to tick off SJWs for the lols and to expose their craziness to the masses. As shown clearly by that 4chan post, the purpose was clearly to get some extreme leftist reactions, not indoctrinating the masses into the white-supremacist Illuminati or whatever race-war thing you want to say.

However, just because its origin is in a joke(or a dog whistle for that matter), that doesn't mean you still can't have an adult conversations about it.

[Draco Dracul]

True enough, on the other hand, the "It's okay to be white" campaign was organized on /pol specifically to be a dogwhistle and/or push people toward white supremacy.

I'd need a citation for that. My understanding is that it was designed to expose double standards on the part of those who are reflexively anti-white by triggering over-the-top public reactions. To quote, "normies tune in to see what's going on, see the posters saying 'it's okay to be white' and the media & leftists frothing at the mouth" and "normies realize that leftists & journalists hate white people, so they turn on them."

I have a citation below (WARNING: contains mild profanity). Please note that I can certainly believe that many white supremacists would praise "it's okay to be white," but that's not the same thing as saying that the campaign was created with any dog whistling or coding in mind, any more than BLM was founded by people who think a black scientist named Yakub genetically engineered white people 6000 years ago.

Right their in black and white it says the end goal is to secure a win for the right in culture war. American social conservatism heavily tied to racism. Additionally, have you actually read the original thread beyond the OP?

[Darth Wedgius]

Right their in black and white it says the end goal is to secure a win for the right in culture war. American social conservatism heavily tied to racism. Additionally, have you actually read the original thread beyond the OP?

I did not read beyond the post I showed. However, I also know that, though white supremacists are often on the political right, the political right is not synonymous with white supremacy. Just as the political left has factions with anti-white sentiment of varying degrees, but not every person trying to win a victory for the political left is trying to attack white people in any way.

Was your evidence of white supremacy "dog whistles" that it came from conservatives?

[Darth Wedgius]

Right their in black and white it says the end goal is to secure a win for the right in culture war. American social conservatism heavily tied to racism. Additionally, have you actually read the original thread beyond the OP?

I did not read beyond that post. I also know that, though white supremacists are often on the political right, the political right is not synonymous with white supremacy. Just as the political left has factions with anti-white sentiment of varying degrees, but not every person trying to win a victory for the political left is trying to attack white people in any way.

Was your evidence of white supremacy "dog whistles" that it came from conservatives?

[Darth Wedgius]

^Good post

Thanks!

However, just because its origin is in a joke(or a dog whistle for that matter), that doesn't mean you still can't have an adult conversations about it.

I'm in complete agreement. The flyers and the reaction to them have been really illuminating.