Video Game Movies are the new MCU

[Nealithi]

I do find it fascinating how so many men saw that "I'm better at managing my anger than you because society forces me to never express emotion in public especially anger and I've had decades of practice" scene as 'cringy' and every woman I've heard an opinion from saw it has her spelling out the blatantly obvious.

The women I work with might make that claim. Then flip off a cat caller and demand they say it to their face. Get angry when the work is too fast or too slow. If anything they are more verbal about their anger and the guys remain more silent.
So definitely not an all women thing.

[McAvoy]

I do find it fascinating how so many men saw that "I'm better at managing my anger than you because society forces me to never express emotion in public especially anger and I've had decades of practice" scene as 'cringy' and every woman I've heard an opinion from saw it has her spelling out the blatantly obvious.

The women I work with might make that claim. Then flip off a cat caller and demand they say it to their face. Get angry when the work is too fast or too slow. If anything they are more verbal about their anger and the guys remain more silent.
So definitely not an all women thing.

That's a good point. #notallwomen.

[clearspira]

because society forces me to never express emotion in public especially anger

Wait what?

Full quote: "Well, here’s the thing, Bruce: I’m great at controlling my anger. I do it all the time. When I’m catcalled in the street, when incompetent men explain my own area of expertise to me. I do it pretty much every day, because if I don’t, I’ll get called ’emotional’ or ‘difficult,’ or might just literally get murdered. So I’m an expert at controlling my anger because I do it infinitely more than you!”

If either of those things drive you into a violent rage then you absolutely are too emotional. And men are also routinely talked down to by incompetent idiots. And men are far more likely to get murdered than women are for pissing off the wrong person. And Bruce was once a literal rage monster who destroyed cities whereas she mastered her powers pretty much immediately meaning that yes, he had to control his anger to a greater extent than she has ever had to.

That quote is right to be criticised. Its the sort of back slapping garbage that you are just meant to agree with for virtue signalling points, not break down with a critical eye.

[stryke]

It's a horribly complicated issue. Way I break it down is to look at the 'real' elements of these two fictional characters that apply to real people ignoring unrelatable stuff like being forced to be a gladiator on an alien planet, and so on. Jen has dealt with sexism constantly as an adult. Bruce had an abusive father as a child*. Which one of these has been dealing with their understandable anger for longer and thus has more room to be agrieved?

Neither, as trauma is not a bloody competition, or at least it shouldn't be, and any time you treat it like it is you're risking being rather unpleasant if not being outright harmful. That to me is the problem with the line. It's comes across of dismissive, and just begs for 'well, actually' from people who like the character that's taking a verbal lashing from a character we've barely spent anytime with. A character currently trying to help this new character too. There's also a question of how much the line is deliberately tailored provocation to wind up sections of the internet in a way that's likely to get way more attention to the show than it might otherwise have had.

Personally I thought the Pitch Meeting guy handled it reasonably well for addressing that this is complex and that boiling it down to 'line bad/line good' is not very helpful.

(*First MCU Hulk went out of their way to at least somewhat be a follow up to the Ang Lee Hulk so no that's not comics only backstory)

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Daredevil was great.

[clearspira]

It's a horribly complicated issue. Way I break it down is to look at the 'real' elements of these two fictional characters that apply to real people ignoring unrelatable stuff like being forced to be a gladiator on an alien planet, and so on. Jen has dealt with sexism constantly as an adult. Bruce had an abusive father as a child*. Which one of these has been dealing with their understandable anger for longer and thus has more room to be agrieved?

Neither, as trauma is not a bloody competition, or at least it shouldn't be, and any time you treat it like it is you're risking being rather unpleasant if not being outright harmful. That to me is the problem with the line. It's comes across of dismissive, and just begs for 'well, actually' from people who like the character that's taking a verbal lashing from a character we've barely spent anytime with. A character currently trying to help this new character too. There's also a question of how much the line is deliberately tailored provocation to wind up sections of the internet in a way that's likely to get way more attention to the show than it might otherwise have had.

Personally I thought the Pitch Meeting guy handled it reasonably well for addressing that this is complex and that boiling it down to 'line bad/line good' is not very helpful.

(*First MCU Hulk went out of their way to at least somewhat be a follow up to the Ang Lee Hulk so no that's not comics only backstory)

Effort that I appreciate. Controversial opinion perhaps, but I think the Hulk was handled terribly by the MCU. The last time we actually had ''the Hulk'' was when he was ripping apart the helicarrier in the first Avengers movie. I disliked the Hulk from Ragnarok and I outright hate Professor Hulk. I don't want to see any more of these comedy Hulks. I want the badass Hulk back who was a frigging living nightmare curse to deal with.

That scene in the second Hulk movie where Bruce is running and is trying not to let his heart rate get above a certain threshold? That was cool. And remember how everyone was terrified of him during The Avengers? How a raised voice made Natasha shit her pants the first time they met? That is what I want.

That's the MCU all over really. Too much comedy. I hope the inevitable reboot takes a different tone. Not super dark like the DCEU - more ''Phase 1 dark''. Where we still had jokes but we didn't have character assassination.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

They had the Hulk Buster fight in Age of Ultron.

[McAvoy]

They had the Hulk Buster fight in Age of Ultron.

Pretty much the last time the Hulk was the classic Hulk and even then he getting tamed in the movie.

The sad thing during that fight he needed Scarlet Witch to make him go nuts when in the comics he would do that on his own.

Also in the comics, the Hulkbuster armor never wins.

[clearspira]

They had the Hulk Buster fight in Age of Ultron.

Pretty much the last time the Hulk was the classic Hulk and even then he getting tamed in the movie.

The sad thing during that fight he needed Scarlet Witch to make him go nuts when in the comics he would do that on his own.

Also in the comics, the Hulkbuster armor never wins.

Yep. This exactly. That wasn't ''Angry Hulk'' vs Iron Man. It was ''Brainwashed Hulk'' vs Iron Man. Completely different. And the next time we saw Hulk? ''Laughy, Daffy, Ass-Out Hulk.''

Speaking of Ragnarok, Thor is another MCU mistake. ''Long-Haired'' Thor was the true Thor. ''Short-haired'' Thor is a clown. And BTW, Hemsworth recently came out and insulted Love and Monsters, saying exactly the same thing. ''Fat Thor'' is also a great example of Disney's hypocrisy because they are all about body acceptance when it comes to their female characters. The other way around though...

Looking back, the MCU made MANY mistakes. Hype was doing so much heavy lifting. And without that, we are seeing its flaws in a whole new light. Its weak scripts, its copy and paste formula, its out of character moments, its over reliance on humour.

The only way to save this now is a reboot. And no shared universe either. Go back to stand alone films.

[hammerofglass]

I'm honestly astonished Hiddleston and Johansson in particular didn't mutiny with how their characters were written with completely different personalities in every appearance.