Dystopian Science Fiction only reinforces the real world Status Quo

[Madner Kami]

The Soviet Union was a Democracy, that's what Centrist morons don't get.

Calling people morons, while you say that, is golden. Sniffing glue much recently?

[KuudereKun]

Staling tried to step down, the Democratically elected Legislature wouldn't let him.

That comes with a helluva large number of if's, and's, or but's.

Sort of also like, "Yeah, well, Nero started off pretty okay."

Stalin's first attempt at resignation in 1925 was unanimously rejected by a lot of his gang of supporters and when he was quietly making his move against Trotsky (who refused to let him resign) as a compromise candidate. The next two attempts were at 1926 and 1927 but that was the Soviet Union was at its most divided between and Stalin's own party and was nothing more than political theater. Trotsky had been exiled in 1926 and everyone was terrified of him coming back and proceeding to purge the existing party.

A reminder that the Bolshevik purge of 220,000 members took place in 1921 just a few years prior.

He was viewed as the only man who could keep the coalition before and everyone voting at those times were his appointees. The final attempt to resign in 1952 was five months over his death and absolutely just an attempt to test the loyalty of his underlings (who were the same people who would reject him post-mortem and execute Beriah). Molotov was the one begging him to stay because, well, it was just Stalin showing his power over every one.

And the" democratically elected" element of the Soviet Union had already come after a Civil War and purges. Right also before the massive number of purges that Stalin was behind.

We're in full historial revisionism territory here once beyond it.

The "Saddam Hussein was elected with 103% of the vote" territory

I'm an even bigger Nero apologist actually.

There are plenty of valid criticisms of Stalin, what I object to is treating him like he's equal to Hitler, he's not.

[CharlesPhipps]

There are plenty of valid criticisms of Stalin, what I object to is treating him like he's equal to Hitler, he's not.

I feel like when you get into body counts in the millions, the issue of, "Who was worse?" is a failed premise.

Ukraine, for instance, has a reason for outlawing all Soviet imagery and apologia.

And Hitler, unlike Stalin, generally doesn't have a concentrated effort to redeem his image.

[Thebestoftherest]

You say that but the internet is determine to do that very thing.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I don’t find it commonplace to hold Stalin to the same degree of infamy as Hitler.

[CharlesPhipps]

I don’t find it commonplace to hold Stalin to the same degree of infamy as Hitler.

All communism critiques eventually degenerate to:

Side A: Doesn't know what communism or socialism is.

Side B: Insists all bad communists weren't REAL communists.

Stalin basically gets the, "As bad as Stalin was, Hitler was worse and he did good things! Unlike Hitler."

And there's no option for, "Being the second worst man in the world is still pretty bad."

[KuudereKun]

I don’t find it commonplace to hold Stalin to the same degree of infamy as Hitler.

All communism critiques eventually degenerate to:

Side A: Doesn't know what communism or socialism is.

Side B: Insists all bad communists weren't REAL communists.

Stalin basically gets the, "As bad as Stalin was, Hitler was worse and he did good things! Unlike Hitler."

And there's no option for, "Being the second worst man in the world is still pretty bad."

I wouldn't put Stalin even in the op 10, I consider him more comparable to the Napoleons or Oliver Cromwell.

Even limited to people in power during WW2 others I consider worse then Stalin include Churchill, FDR, Truman, Charles De Gaulle, Franco, Salazar, Mussolini and the people running Japan.

[KuudereKun]

There are plenty of valid criticisms of Stalin, what I object to is treating him like he's equal to Hitler, he's not.

I feel like when you get into body counts in the millions, the issue of, "Who was worse?" is a failed premise.

Ukraine, for instance, has a reason for outlawing all Soviet imagery and apologia.

And Hitler, unlike Stalin, generally doesn't have a concentrated effort to redeem his image.

This isn't the kind of thing you can Judge solely by Body Count, When you're trying to complete restructure the society of the largest country on the Planet your genuine honest mistakes cna result in the deaths of Millions of people.

What makes Hitler unique and special is that killing Millions of people wasn't a byproduct of what he was trying to accomplish, it was the states Goal. In fact of he'd succeeded the death toll would have been over 100 Million.

[clearspira]

There are plenty of valid criticisms of Stalin, what I object to is treating him like he's equal to Hitler, he's not.

I feel like when you get into body counts in the millions, the issue of, "Who was worse?" is a failed premise.

Ukraine, for instance, has a reason for outlawing all Soviet imagery and apologia.

And Hitler, unlike Stalin, generally doesn't have a concentrated effort to redeem his image.

This isn't the kind of thing you can Judge solely by Body Count, When you're trying to complete restructure the society of the largest country on the Planet your genuine honest mistakes cna result in the deaths of Millions of people.

What makes Hitler unique and special is that killing Millions of people wasn't a byproduct of what he was trying to accomplish, it was the states Goal. In fact of he'd succeeded the death toll would have been over 100 Million.

Killing millions of people was... an... honest mistake?

Y'know... i've said some questionable things on there in the past. I admit that. But YOU? You're coming off as a real sociopath. And suddenly that ''heroes are fascists'' thread has gained a whole new light.

[KuudereKun]

There are plenty of valid criticisms of Stalin, what I object to is treating him like he's equal to Hitler, he's not.

I feel like when you get into body counts in the millions, the issue of, "Who was worse?" is a failed premise.

Ukraine, for instance, has a reason for outlawing all Soviet imagery and apologia.

And Hitler, unlike Stalin, generally doesn't have a concentrated effort to redeem his image.

This isn't the kind of thing you can Judge solely by Body Count, When you're trying to complete restructure the society of the largest country on the Planet your genuine honest mistakes cna result in the deaths of Millions of people.

What makes Hitler unique and special is that killing Millions of people wasn't a byproduct of what he was trying to accomplish, it was the states Goal. In fact of he'd succeeded the death toll would have been over 100 Million.

Killing millions of people was... an... honest mistake?

Y'know... i've said some questionable things on there in the past. I admit that. But YOU? You're coming off as a real sociopath. And suddenly that ''heroes are fascists'' thread has gained a whole new light.

I can also come off like Stalin's biggest hater depending on who I'm arguing with. I assure you I am no Tankie. I believe it's the SRs who should have prevailed in the Russian Revolution.

Most of Stalin's Death Toll is based on the Holodomor, his mishandling of a naturally occurring Famine. Not at all comparable to intentional Genocide. I Absolutely believe Stalin handled that Famine badly, for reasons tied to his Lennist ideology, but it wasn't a Genocide.

The fact is the core point of my OP is proven by the very fact that so many people see it as so unspeakable to be even mildly apologetic of Stalin but wouldn't dare put Truman on the same level when he dropped the damn Bombs.