Things... I can't believe I'm actually writing this... I Like in The Flash (movie)... It's not a lot

[Winter]

This.. isn't a good movie. This honestly might be the overall worst Superhero film in decades. The lead is annoying, the story is convoluted and iconic characters and brought in just to be killed off or replaced with their least popular versions.

HOWEVER!!!

This film does have one or two good moments and ideas that can be talked about and thankfully there isn't much so this won't take long.

First up the last scene with Ben Affleck. Honestly this is a very well written scene, with some good dialogue, acting and a pretty solid exit to one of the best Batmen in Cinema... pity he never got to be in a GOOD DC film or even a solo Batman film but you have to take the victories where you can get them and this last scene was honestly a good.

I actually do like a lot of the ideas and concepts behind the film more then any other version of Flashpoint. In the Arrowverse Barry reverses time to restore his old world cause he's forgetting his past and a few things aren't perfect and the DC Animated Universe has the same problems with the comic it's based on which was best covered by Linkara, it's set in a world we don't have enough time to get invested in, we know this is going to be undone before the story is done and doesn't feel like it's a major world changing event.

With this movie I like that they involve things like Michael Keaton's Batman, Supergirl and have Zod as a main villain and include cameos from other DC films and shows. Mind you it sucks at presenting and executing these ideas but it is an improvement... if you squint at it really, REALLY hard.

And... that's it. This movie sucks and really I think the one thing that should be taken from this is DC should really just never adapt, reference, talk about or remember that Flashpoint is a thing because the story just sees to be cursed for them. I mean the original story itself led to the New 52, the animated film adaptation led to the DCAMU and the live-action movie adaptation has become the biggest Superhero movie bomb of all time.

I'm just saying.

[McAvoy]

It took until the end why we had to have two Barry Allens. Ezra Miller was already controversial casting. Ezra's version was considered to be annoying though the Snyder cut version was more subdued.

But here is the thing, so you have a controversial actor who wasn't liked in the casting and their exploits IRL and you decide to have two of them? Not only that but make the other one younger and even more annoying? To the point the original one actually feels normal in comparison. It's only in the end where you get the pay off.

But honestly, they could have just easily done the one Barry Allen. Have the End-Flash be one of possible outcomes of Barry trying to save that world.

In fact cutting down on the two Barry scenes could be used elsewhere. Like Supergirl. We all get it. Cousin of Superman. She was captured (instead of Clark as in the comics and the animated movie). Really didn't get alot with her.

The CGI was bad. The whole beginning with the baby scene was the worse CGI I have seen in years. This is sort of problem I have with the CGI use lately. There was a time where even with using practical effects that scenes would be rejected because either the technology wasn't there or budget wasn't there or the ability of the studio wasn't there. With CGI they just throw it in there even if CGI babies are perhaps even worse than CGI human faces when it comes to Uncanny Valley.

I don't think it's the worse Superhero movie. Not even close. I would say it's somewhere in the middle. Maybe in the better part of the middle. Catwoman, Fantastic Four reboot, Batman and Robin, and Superman 4 are far worse. I rank this even higher than Batman Forever and the other two Fantastic Four movies. Better than SvB, Joshtice League. Below Wonder Woman and Aquaman. Mayne roughly around Man of Steel.

[Winter]

I don't think it's the worse Superhero movie. Not even close. I would say it's somewhere in the middle. Maybe in the better part of the middle. Catwoman, Fantastic Four reboot, Batman and Robin, and Superman 4 are far worse. I rank this even higher than Batman Forever and the other two Fantastic Four movies. Better than SvB, Joshtice League. Below Wonder Woman and Aquaman. Mayne roughly around Man of Steel.

Didn't say it was the worst SH movie of all time just the worst we've had in decades. Compare this to Eternals, a flawed film but still has a lot going for it with excellent cinematography, overall really good acting and some solid laughs. And that ending, I remember seeing this in theaters and I remember a collective gaps from the audience as Arishem appeared.

Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness had some problems but also had some great moments with creative kills, fantastic atmosphere and silly ideas that could only work in a Superhero film.

But this, the whole Baby scene is just... what?! The lead is annoying with no charm, the effects are terrible, the plot is near to impossible to follow.

For me Fant4stic was the last TRULY awful Superhero movie I saw and I would rank this as just as bad just bad in a different way.

And of course it's below Wonder Woman an Aquaman those are GOOD movies!

[McAvoy]

I don't think it's the worse Superhero movie. Not even close. I would say it's somewhere in the middle. Maybe in the better part of the middle. Catwoman, Fantastic Four reboot, Batman and Robin, and Superman 4 are far worse. I rank this even higher than Batman Forever and the other two Fantastic Four movies. Better than SvB, Joshtice League. Below Wonder Woman and Aquaman. Mayne roughly around Man of Steel.

But this, the whole Baby scene is just... what?! The lead is annoying with no charm, the effects are terrible, the plot is near to impossible to follow.

The plot wasn't that bad. I felt it was not that hard. He went back in time and it caused a bunch of reverberations in time. Keaton Batman explained it pretty well too.

And they reinforced it in the end with the young Flash going back in time so many times to save Supergirl and by extension his world from Zod. But in reality it was doomed. Just like thd death of mainline Flash's mother was one of those points too.

I just think the movie could have just done with one Flash. Even have him depowered and have to regain his powers once Zod shows up and there is no Superman.

[clearspira]

I point blank refused to watch The Flash because of Ezra Miller. I hate his version of Barry Allen and I hate him - he's violent trash. From what I hear I missed very little.

Its also a very good example of why the writers and actors are striking over fear of AI and deepfakes. Did George Reeves's estate give permission for that cameo or is his face just owned by the studio forever? I ask because the man may or may not have committed suicide over being Superman so it seems in pretty poor taste.

[McAvoy]

I point blank refused to watch The Flash because of Ezra Miller. I hate his version of Barry Allen and I hate him - he's violent trash. From what I hear I missed very little.

Its also a very good example of why the writers and actors are striking over fear of AI and deepfakes. Did George Reeves's estate give permission for that cameo or is his face just owned by the studio forever? I ask because the man may or may not have committed suicide over being Superman so it seems in pretty poor taste.

George Reeves doesn't have anyone left to be able to authorize od deny his likeness anymore. Christopher Reeve's estate did and I think do did Adam West.

If no one has control over the use of George Reeves' likeness then I assume the studio can do what they want I guess. Maybe there is some thing set up or could be set up for this purpose as a consequence for the strike. Like a selected group who can legally oversee deceased actors likeness in what they could assume to be their wishes if there is no more family.

[Scififan]

I just find Ezra Miller very annoying.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I did appreciate the juxtaposition of current and past Barry, but it only served to redeem his immature demeanor around the JL by showing the shadowy effect of the influence that his father being falsely convicted has on him, rather than showing how much he's developed as a character since we've known hm. I really liked the portrayal of Supergirl. I thought Arrow verse did the multiverse better.

I like the DCAOM version because it feels like an appropriately dark short story. It fits well as a second basement of a building with the vending machine you want to go to. Michael Keaton's action is great, but I'd kind of like to see what Affleck did with that alternate universe take. I get though that it was originally his father, it's also just the perfect time for Affleck to conquer this cynical take on Wayne.

[McAvoy]

I did appreciate the juxtaposition of current and past Barry, but it only served to redeem his immature demeanor around the JL by showing the shadowy effect of the influence that his father being falsely convicted has on him, rather than showing how much he's developed as a character since we've known hm. I really liked the portrayal of Supergirl. I thought Arrow verse did the multiverse better.

I like the DCAOM version because it feels like an appropriately dark short story. It fits well as a second basement of a building with the vending machine you want to go to. Michael Keaton's action is great, but I'd kind of like to see what Affleck did with that alternate universe take. I get though that it was originally his father, it's also just the perfect time for Affleck to conquer this cynical take on Wayne.

The main problem with the movie is just too much in what was supposed to be a Flash solo film. Instead we get a Justice League movie in a way. We get two totally different Batmans in actions scenes, we had a way too long Cage Superman doing some weird CGI cameo, another more annoying Flash, and a Supergirl instead of Cavill's Superman which would have worked better. Only because we already have movies establishing him as opposed this Supergirl who really doesn't have alot to go on.

The Flashpoint storyline would have worked alot better if it was a true Justice League movie. Have Wonder Woman versus Aquaman like before. Along with Jeffrey Morgan as the Batman Dad Batman. They did have enough characters to make the movie.

Oh well.

[Winter]

The main problem with the movie is just too much in what was supposed to be a Flash solo film. Instead we get a Justice League movie in a way. We get two totally different Batmans in actions scenes, we had a way too long Cage Superman doing some weird CGI cameo, another more annoying Flash, and a Supergirl instead of Cavill's Superman which would have worked better. Only because we already have movies establishing him as opposed this Supergirl who really doesn't have alot to go on.

The Flashpoint storyline would have worked alot better if it was a true Justice League movie. Have Wonder Woman versus Aquaman like before. Along with Jeffrey Morgan as the Batman Dad Batman. They did have enough characters to make the movie.

Oh well.

Honestly that's always been a problem with Flashpoint, its a Flash solo story that for whatever reason is bloated into this larger universe altering story that will forever change the course of [Insert DC Universe Name Here] forever. But this isn't a story that works as a solo story with Berry learning that he can't save his mother and yet that's never really been focused on.

At the time of the this writing I'm reading up on I'm In Love With the Villainess which the story of a young girl getting reincarnated into her favorite video game where she attempts to change the story to save her favorite character (the titular Villainess Lady Claire). However, in doing so events begins to change as the story tries to correct itself to try to get things back on track. The more the protagonist (Rai, or Rae I'm not really sure) changes the events to save her love and keep her friends alive the more the events of the story change to try and correct itself.

In FP the story of Berry altering time and then all Hell Breaking loose doesn't really add up even in this film were one Berry is trying to change time to save his friends yet can't but the story is often to complex and convoluted to really understand (for me at least).

And even then in INLWTV is still a personal story of someone trying to save the one she loves and while events are altered in the end this is just about two people falling in love and the story always focuses on that. FP is to big to big to be personal and we get almost no real time with the relationship this is SUPPOSE to be about.

The Original FP focuses more on Berry and Thomas Wayne, the Arrow Verse version is more about Berry & Iris and the movie is more about Berry and Berry. Berry's mom is barely present in these stories and as such is part of the failing of FP.