Is it ok to be white?

[Robovski]

The words under the Statue of Liberty have been ignored since the end of World Ear Two if not before. I'm very much for an expanded guest labor program, allowing workers to legally enter, pay taxes, have licenses, ECT which would solve a lot of problems that stem from hiring illegals.

But the days when anyone could hop a boat and become an American are long gone, much like we no longer just give you a parcel of land if you settle it and improve it.

[Karha of Honor]

Right their in black and white it says the end goal is to secure a win for the right in culture war. American social conservatism heavily tied to racism. Additionally, have you actually read the original thread beyond the OP?

I hate to break it to you or anyone else who suffers from this viewpoint, but the right and conservatives are not synonymous with racism. That assertion is nothing more than a product of propaganda from the kind of people who would claim that every example of socialism history has seen wasn't "really" socialism.

I agree, right-wing and conservatism isn't inherently racists, and socialism without capitialism has always fails and almost certainly will always fail. None of that changes the deep ties between American Social Conservatism. The deal to take in the Dixiecrats alienated by LBJ backing civil rights planted the seed, the combination of Clinton picking off moderates via triangulation, the collapse of neo-conservatism from the fallout of the Iraq war, and the heavy use of xenophobia to rally the TEA party have lead to a republican party powered by it's racist elements. The Alt-right ins't a response to the republican leadership, but a natural culmination.

What does xenophobie mean exactly? Is there something wrong with saying the US has a limited number of immigrants it can integrate? That there are a limited number of jobs? That the US should not welcome every Rahim, Milos and Miguel with behind the times values with open arms?

You bloody well know what it means.

Btw, agriculture is falling off because of crackdowns on immigration. The farm employers have a shortage of labor because native-born white people are unwilling to do the work of "Rahim, MIlos and Miguel".

Also, read the words under the chucklefucking Statue of Liberty.

It is very broad term like homophobia and it is used the same way. It is pretty much an atack word that does not mean anything.

Okay, your agrculture example could be legit and xenophobia still be a somewhat useless word in the political context.

Some weird french dudes sent a cool statue. I would not build poilicy around that.

[Admiral X]

Having gotten my start in agriculture since I grew up in the middle of no where, I can relate to why people might not want to do that kind of hard work for the pay they would get. Farmers and ranchers can't exactly pay by the hour, you know. Actually, I got paid by the day, and I had to wait until the end of the month for my pay day. Of course, I also only worked during summer, so there's that. Honestly I'm glad I did that as a first job over working fast food or some other service job, though.

One thing I'm struck by, though, as far as people who defend illegal immigration from the standpoint of them taking jobs they think no one else wants to do, is they seem to be overlooking the fact that many of these people are essentially limited into doing these types of jobs because of their status as "undocumented," and that this status often leads to them being exploited as it constantly hangs over their head. Personally, I'd rather crack down on businesses which hire illegal immigrants rather than people who are only seeking better opportunity for themselves. Immigration laws should be enforced, as should our borders, though I think we should make the immigration process easier.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

The words under the Statue of Liberty have been ignored since the end of World Ear Two if not before. I'm very much for an expanded guest labor program, allowing workers to legally enter, pay taxes, have licenses, ECT which would solve a lot of problems that stem from hiring illegals.

But the days when anyone could hop a boat and become an American are long gone, much like we no longer just give you a parcel of land if you settle it and improve it.

Do you realize undocumented immigrants already pay taxes?

AgentVinod, the French >>built<< the statue. We put the poem on it. It's what this country stands for.

Homophobia and xenophobia do mean something. They are real societal forces, and their impacts range from making people's lives unpleasant to ending those lives. How can you even argue that they mean nothing? Xenophobia is hatred/persecution of foreigners! Homophobia is hatred/persecution of queers like me!

They aren't "attack words", they are descriptions of policies and behaviors and ideologies. Why is it that you see calling out homophobia or xenophobia as worse than being homophobic or xenophobic?

[Robovski]

It is disingenuous to say they are:

1. Undocumented - if they were here within the laws of the land they would have documents. Don't act like illegal immigrants aren't a legal term. As someone who went through a documented immigration process and was a legal resident alien for some 13 years it's offensive and just plain wrong.

2. Just because they pay some unavoidable sales taxes does not mean they are paying their income taxes or other taxes/fees. They are often driving without valid licenses or insurance (aka, illegally as just about every state requires a level of cover), can't be paying their salary based contributions as they are employed illegally or self-employed and NOT paying the due taxes (let alone any locally required licensing or certifications), and will not be paying their taxes to an IRS without a social security number that they also don't have.

[Karha of Honor]

The words under the Statue of Liberty have been ignored since the end of World Ear Two if not before. I'm very much for an expanded guest labor program, allowing workers to legally enter, pay taxes, have licenses, ECT which would solve a lot of problems that stem from hiring illegals.

But the days when anyone could hop a boat and become an American are long gone, much like we no longer just give you a parcel of land if you settle it and improve it.

Do you realize undocumented immigrants already pay taxes?

AgentVinod, the French >>built<< the statue. We put the poem on it. It's what this country stands for.

Homophobia and xenophobia do mean something. They are real societal forces, and their impacts range from making people's lives unpleasant to ending those lives. How can you even argue that they mean nothing? Xenophobia is hatred/persecution of foreigners! Homophobia is hatred/persecution of queers like me!

They aren't "attack words", they are descriptions of policies and behaviors and ideologies. Why is it that you see calling out homophobia or xenophobia as worse than being homophobic or xenophobic?

No it does not. It is rdiculous to claim it. You might as well say the same thing about the biggest hollywood blockbusters. It is castchy but it is meaningless.

Bigotry would fit. Xyzphobia is way to broad.

[ORCACommander]

Xenophobia is a specific Form of bigotry:

Citation Mirriam Webster:
: fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/xenophobia

[Karha of Honor]

Xenophobia is a specific Form of bigotry:

Citation Mirriam Webster:
: fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/xenophobia

If you say anything than everyone is a xenophobe.

[Madner Kami]

Xenophobia is a specific Form of bigotry:

Citation Mirriam Webster:
: fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/xenophobia

If you say anything than everyone is a xenophobe.

You read the words, but you don't seem to understand what they mean. Xenophobia is specifically not listed as "Fear of anything". As I said before, you are either trolling or you really are missing the point in a lot of things. Are you a native english speaker?

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

The words under the Statue of Liberty have been ignored since the end of World Ear Two if not before. I'm very much for an expanded guest labor program, allowing workers to legally enter, pay taxes, have licenses, ECT which would solve a lot of problems that stem from hiring illegals.

But the days when anyone could hop a boat and become an American are long gone, much like we no longer just give you a parcel of land if you settle it and improve it.

Do you realize undocumented immigrants already pay taxes?

AgentVinod, the French >>built<< the statue. We put the poem on it. It's what this country stands for.

Homophobia and xenophobia do mean something. They are real societal forces, and their impacts range from making people's lives unpleasant to ending those lives. How can you even argue that they mean nothing? Xenophobia is hatred/persecution of foreigners! Homophobia is hatred/persecution of queers like me!

They aren't "attack words", they are descriptions of policies and behaviors and ideologies. Why is it that you see calling out homophobia or xenophobia as worse than being homophobic or xenophobic?

No it does not. It is rdiculous to claim it. You might as well say the same thing about the biggest hollywood blockbusters. It is castchy but it is meaningless.

Bigotry would fit. Xyzphobia is way to broad.

Please clarify. Which assertion are you responding to when you say "no it does not"?

As for that labeling, I would say Bigotry is correct but not specific enough. "Xenophobia", "homophobia", etc. are precise, useful terms, like "racism" or "sexism". Or are you going to take issue with them too?