Speaker of the house position up for grabs.

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TGLS wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:40 pm
clearspira wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:08 pm Like I say I could majorly have my facts wrong, but are you one car accident away from having Trump's best mate in the White House?
In theory... In practice such an event has never happened.
"It never happened before and therefore never will", is a pretty shoddy working theory, as it''s missing a very important detail: Yet.
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Madner Kami wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 9:02 am
TGLS wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:40 pm
clearspira wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:08 pm Like I say I could majorly have my facts wrong, but are you one car accident away from having Trump's best mate in the White House?
In theory... In practice such an event has never happened.
"It never happened before and therefore never will", is a pretty shoddy working theory, as it''s missing a very important detail: Yet.
Especially as recently there's been an uptick in "so what if we just... do it anyway" testing of the boundaries.
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Madner Kami wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 9:02 am
TGLS wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:40 pm
clearspira wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:08 pm Like I say I could majorly have my facts wrong, but are you one car accident away from having Trump's best mate in the White House?
In theory... In practice such an event has never happened.
"It never happened before and therefore never will", is a pretty shoddy working theory, as it''s missing a very important detail: Yet.
Well, yes it is pretty shoddy. But when you've got a narrow window of at most 5 years, a history of 200+ years of no non-vp successors seems to weigh it as pretty unlikely.

But to drill down in more detail, the president and vice president travel separately. It would be a car accident that involves both the president's and vice president's car, which would be pretty unlikely.
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TGLS wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 3:48 pm
Madner Kami wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 9:02 am
TGLS wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:40 pm
clearspira wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:08 pm Like I say I could majorly have my facts wrong, but are you one car accident away from having Trump's best mate in the White House?
In theory... In practice such an event has never happened.
"It never happened before and therefore never will", is a pretty shoddy working theory, as it''s missing a very important detail: Yet.
Well, yes it is pretty shoddy. But when you've got a narrow window of at most 5 years, a history of 200+ years of no non-vp successors seems to weigh it as pretty unlikely.

But to drill down in more detail, the president and vice president travel separately. It would be a car accident that involves both the president's and vice president's car, which would be pretty unlikely.
Yes, an "accident".
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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 2:07 am It’s how Gerald Ford became president. He was the only unelected president.
No, he wasn't speaker of the house. Spiro Agnew resigned as VP because of Watergate, and Gerald Ford was appointed as vice president a couple months later. In an alternate history the process that led to Nixon resigning went faster and Carl Albert became president...
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When JFK was assissinated and Johnson took office there was no Vice President until he actually ran for the presidency in 1965.

So there is that. Not like everyone gets to move up one position when someone higher up than them dies or leaves.
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Hey, I found someone who is stoked for the new Speaker: Putin!

https://www.newsweek.com/mike-johnson-s ... ne-1838484
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TGLS wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 9:06 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 2:07 am It’s how Gerald Ford became president. He was the only unelected president.
No, he wasn't speaker of the house. Spiro Agnew resigned as VP because of Watergate, and Gerald Ford was appointed as vice president a couple months later. In an alternate history the process that led to Nixon resigning went faster and Carl Albert became president...
Oh. I guess I think it all seems fine on a provisional basis.

The process of appointing a Speaker though still seems more dubious in comparison given the condition of succession.
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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2023 12:18 pm The process of appointing a Speaker though still seems more dubious in comparison given the condition of succession.
In theory, they'd be someone a majority of the House can stomach.

Things are currently sufficiently broken that this is no longer the case.
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McAvoy wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2023 4:59 am When JFK was assissinated and Johnson took office there was no Vice President until he actually ran for the presidency in 1965.

That's true. However when LBJ assumed the office of President there was no mechanism to replace the Vice President. With the passage of the 25th amendment (in 1965) it became possible to replace the VP, which became a factor during the tumultuous Nixon years.
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