Caretaker (VOY)

[clearspira]

I'm not happy about any of this.

Its OK. Premiere of Enterprise happened only 22 years ago and Abrams Star Trek a mere 14 years.

Oh going by the linear progression of the TNG era in relation to the 24th century... Well we are in the 25 +th century. TNG started in 2364 and now it is 2500. Picard is a bit ahead in this though.

Wheaton is now older than Patrick Stewart when TNG first started. The actress who played little Molly O'Brien is 35.

Looking forward to WW3 in 2026.

...

Y'know, when ''First Contact'' came up with that figure back in 1996 they probably went ''yeah, just add 30 years, that'll do.'' And yet here we are in 2023 with Ukraine on fire, the Middle East hotting up, China carving up the South China sea and massive political instability across the world and suddenly it doesn't look all that unlikely anymore. Star Trek's most accurate prediction yet lol.

Star Trek did the same thing with Eugenics War. Add 30 years and you get to 1996. Though supermen in the Middle East seems far fetched.

We totally have the technology today to make the Khan from TOS a reality though. The Ricardo Montleban version that is a bit stronger than humans with better lungs and a bigger heart and such - less so the Cumberbatch Captain America/Wolverine version from Into Darkness.

There is one thing that all fiction seems to forget about super soldiers and that is that a super strong human is still just flesh and blood. You will always get more done with drones, jet fighters, tanks, artillery and the machine gun. Again, the Into Darkness augment is pure fantasy. This is why I cannot ever see super soldiers really being a thing. Even that fantasy favourite the suit of power armour will not help all that much as real life physics are never a concern with something like the Iron Man suit.

There might be technology today to that but not in the 1960's or 1970's. Khan was an adult by the 90's.

Here is thd thing about artillery, tanks and other machines. In the end you still need to put people in to occupy the territory and sweep what all those fancy weapons weren't able to reach, detect or target. This is the old classic Army versus bombers argument. Don't need an army when you can bomb the enemy to oblivion. Yet bombers can't do that.

Super soldiers would be very valuable to armies all over the world.

-They would have increased strength to carry more on their back or be able to fight more efficiently with the same amount of weight on their back as the normal soldier.

-Firing artillery would be quicker than normal with the quicker reflexes and increased strength as well higher endurance. Same goes for tanks.

-Quicker reflexes would come in handy in manned fighter planes. Able to take higher G forces without blacking out.

-Longer periods in between sleep cycles would be valuable throughout the military.

-Everything about a super soldier would be incredibly valuable on the ground even as a grunt.

-Better ability to take injuries and heal faster would be very valuable than normal soldiers who would may not even come back to battlefield if at all and if they did it would take weeks if not months.

There is a real reason why militaries prefer the young and that is because the body is young and keep doing things that would slow down an older person. Look at sports players. A injury in your early 20's would be much faster and would not linger as long as someone past the age of 30.

Super soldiers would be that except now during the breeding phase you can also tinker as well. So you no longer have a wide range of heights, weights, abilities between each soldier but you may end up having a more uniform army in abilities.

You're right of course. I just hope that we are smart enough to remove their ability to breed on their own.

[stryke]

Say what you like for Strange New Worlds, but I really did like that throwaway line from that pissed off Romulan lady that the Genetics War is super annoyingly late due to meddling from stuff like the Temporal Cold War. Very efficiently ties together ToS, Voyager, Enterprise, and Picard managing to make it look seemless in a way that should be impossible. Of course it's a handwave to some extent so obviously YMMV.

You're right of course. I just hope that we are smart enough to remove their ability to breed on their own.

"Life, uh, finds a way."

[McAvoy]

I'm not happy about any of this.

Its OK. Premiere of Enterprise happened only 22 years ago and Abrams Star Trek a mere 14 years.

Oh going by the linear progression of the TNG era in relation to the 24th century... Well we are in the 25 +th century. TNG started in 2364 and now it is 2500. Picard is a bit ahead in this though.

Wheaton is now older than Patrick Stewart when TNG first started. The actress who played little Molly O'Brien is 35.

Looking forward to WW3 in 2026.

...

Y'know, when ''First Contact'' came up with that figure back in 1996 they probably went ''yeah, just add 30 years, that'll do.'' And yet here we are in 2023 with Ukraine on fire, the Middle East hotting up, China carving up the South China sea and massive political instability across the world and suddenly it doesn't look all that unlikely anymore. Star Trek's most accurate prediction yet lol.

Star Trek did the same thing with Eugenics War. Add 30 years and you get to 1996. Though supermen in the Middle East seems far fetched.

We totally have the technology today to make the Khan from TOS a reality though. The Ricardo Montleban version that is a bit stronger than humans with better lungs and a bigger heart and such - less so the Cumberbatch Captain America/Wolverine version from Into Darkness.

There is one thing that all fiction seems to forget about super soldiers and that is that a super strong human is still just flesh and blood. You will always get more done with drones, jet fighters, tanks, artillery and the machine gun. Again, the Into Darkness augment is pure fantasy. This is why I cannot ever see super soldiers really being a thing. Even that fantasy favourite the suit of power armour will not help all that much as real life physics are never a concern with something like the Iron Man suit.

There might be technology today to that but not in the 1960's or 1970's. Khan was an adult by the 90's.

Here is thd thing about artillery, tanks and other machines. In the end you still need to put people in to occupy the territory and sweep what all those fancy weapons weren't able to reach, detect or target. This is the old classic Army versus bombers argument. Don't need an army when you can bomb the enemy to oblivion. Yet bombers can't do that.

Super soldiers would be very valuable to armies all over the world.

-They would have increased strength to carry more on their back or be able to fight more efficiently with the same amount of weight on their back as the normal soldier.

-Firing artillery would be quicker than normal with the quicker reflexes and increased strength as well higher endurance. Same goes for tanks.

-Quicker reflexes would come in handy in manned fighter planes. Able to take higher G forces without blacking out.

-Longer periods in between sleep cycles would be valuable throughout the military.

-Everything about a super soldier would be incredibly valuable on the ground even as a grunt.

-Better ability to take injuries and heal faster would be very valuable than normal soldiers who would may not even come back to battlefield if at all and if they did it would take weeks if not months.

There is a real reason why militaries prefer the young and that is because the body is young and keep doing things that would slow down an older person. Look at sports players. A injury in your early 20's would be much faster and would not linger as long as someone past the age of 30.

Super soldiers would be that except now during the breeding phase you can also tinker as well. So you no longer have a wide range of heights, weights, abilities between each soldier but you may end up having a more uniform army in abilities.

You're right of course. I just hope that we are smart enough to remove their ability to breed on their own.

That opens up a different can of worms. To make a super soldier you have to at one point be open to human experimentation and we are not talking about just testing some pill on a person with no more options either. We are talking about going from conception to birth to growing up and seeing how the improvements worked and chances are there will be failures.

At least in the end, you would end up with a variation of Homo Superior but taking away their ability to have children would be something else. You would have to basically admit you are creating drones and not human beings.

Lots and lots and lots of ethical questions.