Hamas Attacks Israel

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

The current prime minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Anyway, getting off this subject and back onto Israel, the sociological implications of this war fascinate me.

Note how we no longer talk about Ukraine? That's still going on. Putin is committing 10X the atrocities that Israel supposedly is. That war is literally on the borders of major EU countries. Everything that is currently bothering you about Israel, Putin has been doing for nearly two years.

And on that note, bad stuff is still going down in Syria. And Yemen. And Somalia... and 110 other places around the world according to the UN. But do we talk about that? No. Always Israel. Nothing but Israel.

And I just find that interesting. What is it about this conflict in particular that so boils the blood and gets people marching through the streets? My opinion is that ever-present hatred of Jews that the world has endured for the last thousand years combined with social media telling people who they should hate. But i'm sure there are other factors as well.

The US has backed Israel for decades in what's considered carte blanche support. That's night and day difference between treating this as some random topic that people are fixated on and an ongoing ordeal with your nation's involvement in an abusive situation.

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The US has backed Israel for decades in what's considered carte blanche support

Indeed, the US was the lone "no" vote on the UN Security Council regarding a resolution calling for a cease fire.

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The US has backed Israel for decades in what's considered carte blanche support

Indeed, the US was the lone "no" vote on the UN Security Council regarding a resolution calling for a cease fire.

The UK notably abstained.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

The US has backed Israel for decades in what's considered carte blanche support

Indeed, the US was the lone "no" vote on the UN Security Council regarding a resolution calling for a cease fire.

US often runs its own agenda in spite of what the UN rules in that's a contradiction to how the US assesses and handles the situation.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Edit: NVM I got the date wrong
Palestinians are calling for a general strike tomorrow to push for ceasefire. https://twitter.com/wizardbisan/status/ ... 1334714541 That means no going to school, no going to work, and no spending money. If you're able to do so, please participate.

[clearspira]

The US has backed Israel for decades in what's considered carte blanche support

Indeed, the US was the lone "no" vote on the UN Security Council regarding a resolution calling for a cease fire.

US often runs its own agenda in spite of what the UN rules in that's a contradiction to how the US assesses and handles the situation.

As i've said before. No one cares about the UN. It has no teeth, no balls, and no respect. And that goes double for those countries who have veto power. Its worth noting that the UK took the cowards way out by abstaining. Which is politics speak for ''we mean no, but it'll look bad if we do.''

[clearspira]

Clearspira, saying "well ALL systems are flawed" is very trite and a a piss-poor defense of any particular system. And you are out here saying "Well sometimes FASCISM is GOOD".

(Socialism's main flaw is that the CIA exists)

I never said fascism is good. I never said that it was bad. I'm trying to detail the old adage of ''at least the trains ran on time.'' Fascism has an appeal - we saw that in 1930s Germany. Normal, hard working people who turned to Hitler en-masse. They weren't evil despite how privileged Zoomers on Twitter may have painted them. They were no different to you or me.

What, and again I ask this in the spirit of inquiry, the fuck.

Fascism is bad. It is always bad. Because it's facism.

Normal, hard-working people can commit unspeakable evil. Now you're saying the people who just went along with the Nazi regime weren't that bad because they had good intentions? I am trying to parse what you're actually saying.

I really need to straighten this out before I can go any further, because your position on "Is facism bad?" really affects whether I consider anything you say to have any merit.

There is nothing I can say that would shift this position into the grey so its kind of pointless.

Real life is grey, not black and white. No matter how much you may want it to be.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

The US has backed Israel for decades in what's considered carte blanche support

Indeed, the US was the lone "no" vote on the UN Security Council regarding a resolution calling for a cease fire.

US often runs its own agenda in spite of what the UN rules in that's a contradiction to how the US assesses and handles the situation.

As i've said before. No one cares about the UN. It has no teeth, no balls, and no respect. And that goes double for those countries who have veto power. Its worth noting that the UK took the cowards way out by abstaining. Which is politics speak for ''we mean no, but it'll look bad if we do.''

It has no teeth as an autonomous authority, but are you suggesting that it hasn't done anything important?

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Clearspira, saying "well ALL systems are flawed" is very trite and a a piss-poor defense of any particular system. And you are out here saying "Well sometimes FASCISM is GOOD".

(Socialism's main flaw is that the CIA exists)

I never said fascism is good. I never said that it was bad. I'm trying to detail the old adage of ''at least the trains ran on time.'' Fascism has an appeal - we saw that in 1930s Germany. Normal, hard working people who turned to Hitler en-masse. They weren't evil despite how privileged Zoomers on Twitter may have painted them. They were no different to you or me.

What, and again I ask this in the spirit of inquiry, the fuck.

Fascism is bad. It is always bad. Because it's facism.

Normal, hard-working people can commit unspeakable evil. Now you're saying the people who just went along with the Nazi regime weren't that bad because they had good intentions? I am trying to parse what you're actually saying.

I really need to straighten this out before I can go any further, because your position on "Is facism bad?" really affects whether I consider anything you say to have any merit.

There is nothing I can say that would shift this position into the grey so its kind of pointless.

Real life is grey, not black and white. No matter how much you may want it to be.

Real life has all shades. You are the one who sees this situation as black and white morality. Hamas are the bad guys, therefore Israel must be the good guys. That's the position you've been pushing.

So to clarify, are you honestly saying Fascism can be good sometimes? That you can be fascist and still be considered "good guys"? Because what I'm hearing is "Fascism is okay when it's our side doing it". If you just say "No, that's not what I mean. Fascism is bad." it would go a long way towards clearing things up and helping me understand your position.