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Thebestoftherest wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 2:18 pm
Hey Fuzzy, what is the question again?
The question was does he think Fascism can be good or acceptable, because I really need to know that before I decide whether to take anything he says seriously.
He already said it makes the trains run on time and being a collaborator is fine actually, I don't know how much of a clearer "yes" you want from him.
I honestly want to believe the answer is "No".
I already gave you my answer to this. Life is not black and white, life is grey. I think what you think sitting in your nice warm armchair with a nice steaming cup o' joe in your hand is actually kind of irrelevant compared to those who actually have to face toil and hardship. I think you currently have a limited understanding as to why good people sometimes vote for the Devil.
If I may, it is this inability to see the grey and brand the other side as ''evil'' for their beliefs is why you are teetering on another Donald Trump presidency. Not all of those people who voted for him stormed the capital or go around chanting wearing red hats. A lot of them are just normal people who made a choice based on his promises. And those people have been pretty much forgotten over the last four years as far as I can tell.
All I see is "Fascism is fine when we are doing it", because you have no problem seeing morality in black and white when it's Hamas doing evil.
As for the rest,
Historians have a word for Germans who joined the Nazi party, not because they hated Jews, but out of a hope for restored patriotism, or a sense of economic anxiety, or a hope to preserve their religious values, or dislike of their opponents, or raw political opportunism, or convenience, or ignorance, or greed.
That word is "Nazi." Nobody cares about their motives anymore.
― A.R. Moxon
"Believe me, there’s nothing so terrible that someone won’t support it."
— Un Lun Dun, China Mieville
Thebestoftherest wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 2:18 pm
Hey Fuzzy, what is the question again?
The question was does he think Fascism can be good or acceptable, because I really need to know that before I decide whether to take anything he says seriously.
He already said it makes the trains run on time and being a collaborator is fine actually, I don't know how much of a clearer "yes" you want from him.
I honestly want to believe the answer is "No".
I already gave you my answer to this. Life is not black and white, life is grey. I think what you think sitting in your nice warm armchair with a nice steaming cup o' joe in your hand is actually kind of irrelevant compared to those who actually have to face toil and hardship. I think you currently have a limited understanding as to why good people sometimes vote for the Devil.
If I may, it is this inability to see the grey and brand the other side as ''evil'' for their beliefs is why you are teetering on another Donald Trump presidency. Not all of those people who voted for him stormed the capital or go around chanting wearing red hats. A lot of them are just normal people who made a choice based on his promises. And those people have been pretty much forgotten over the last four years as far as I can tell.
All I see is "Fascism is fine when we are doing it", because you have no problem seeing morality in black and white when it's Hamas doing evil.
That’s not really what he said though. Or it’s a potential implication, but wasn’t his point.
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 11:57 pm
Then what was it? Enlighten me, please. I'm not being sarcastic.
Well you asked if he thinks fascism can be good. His response was “people vote for it because of circumstance.”
It’s just that his response doesn’t have to do with fascist administrative policies, just the campaigning aspect. It’s like saying “I think Vivek Ramaswami does a good job as president of the United States” despite him never having held that type of position. He just campaigns.
While the campaigning aspect is relevant and distinct, why people might vote for fascism is inconsequential to whether it can be good or not.
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 9:26 pm
I'm still not getting it.
You asked him if fascism can ever be good.
He responded with an answer about why people (not himself) vote for fascism.
That has to be utterly clear. The first statement as something you did, and the second statement as something he did. What he typed doesn’t follow what you asked.
And that's the nature of the discourse between you two and a lot of other people. It's often just one person saying one position without understanding what the other person is saying while the other person does the same.
