Hamas Attacks Israel

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Re: Hamas Attacks Israel

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Madner Kami wrote: Fri Dec 22, 2023 7:53 am
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:26 am See I told you.
Told him, that Clearspira will refuse to answer?
Its not that i am refusing to answer. It is that I am bored of this conversation. Fuzzy is unable to deal with the grey. He is unable to understand why good people may vote for the Devil. I will give it one more shot then I am out.

If you were sitting in Germany in 1930, in a country crippled by repatriatrion payments for a war where no one in Europe was blameless, hyperinflation to the point where a basket of banknotes could barely buy you a loaf of bread, the great depression had taken your job or your house, when your country is basically defenceless because conscription was banned and your army was limited in the age of imperialism, your country had been carved up by the other empires, your natural resources were being stolen, there were several uprisings and your government the ''Weimar Republic'' was holding nothing together, maybe, JUST MAYBE, you might start thinking that this ''democracy thing'' isn't working out for you.

MAYBE when someone comes along promising your country will be powerful again, that your family won't starve, that you'll have a job, and yes, that the trains will run on time (which isn't literal btw, it means ''our infrastructure and logistics will actually work''), MAYBE you just might be tempted. Doesn't matter if those things are lies, people just know that what I have NOW is shit so what have I got to lose in trying?

Not everyone who supports a fascist government is a fascist. Sometimes they are just desperate. And I suspect that Fuzzy will never be able to understand this.
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...denial is a hell of a drug, huh? "Sure I stole from you, but I needed money so it's not fair to call me a thief".
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Madner Kami wrote: Fri Dec 22, 2023 7:53 am
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:26 am See I told you.
Told him, that Clearspira will refuse to answer?
You can see from the timestamp that I gave him well over two days.
..What mirror universe?
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Clearspira, you argue for moral grey areas in literal Fascism, but when it comes to Israel and Palestine you just say "Israel is OBVIOUSLY the good guys because Hamas is the bad guys".
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So any guess how long this will last?
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The genocide attempt or my argument with Clearspira?
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Bit past "attempt" at this point, 20,000 dead mostly civilians according to AP.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas ... 489031b91b

For clearspira I'm calling 3-4 more months of vacillating then he renounces his culture war past in favor of the compassion and clear care for others he shows on every topic where he hasn't been force fed someone else's talking points on who he's supposed to fear and hate.
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The whole attack
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clearspira wrote: Fri Dec 22, 2023 12:13 pm Not everyone who supports a fascist government is a fascist.
True. Many are enablers or dupes.
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clearspira wrote: Fri Dec 22, 2023 12:13 pm
Madner Kami wrote: Fri Dec 22, 2023 7:53 am
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:26 am See I told you.
Told him, that Clearspira will refuse to answer?
Its not that i am refusing to answer. It is that I am bored of this conversation. Fuzzy is unable to deal with the grey. He is unable to understand why good people may vote for the Devil. I will give it one more shot then I am out.

If you were sitting in Germany in 1930, in a country crippled by repatriatrion payments for a war where no one in Europe was blameless, hyperinflation to the point where a basket of banknotes could barely buy you a loaf of bread, the great depression had taken your job or your house, when your country is basically defenceless because conscription was banned and your army was limited in the age of imperialism, your country had been carved up by the other empires, your natural resources were being stolen, there were several uprisings and your government the ''Weimar Republic'' was holding nothing together, maybe, JUST MAYBE, you might start thinking that this ''democracy thing'' isn't working out for you.

MAYBE when someone comes along promising your country will be powerful again, that your family won't starve, that you'll have a job, and yes, that the trains will run on time (which isn't literal btw, it means ''our infrastructure and logistics will actually work''), MAYBE you just might be tempted. Doesn't matter if those things are lies, people just know that what I have NOW is shit so what have I got to lose in trying?

Not everyone who supports a fascist government is a fascist. Sometimes they are just desperate. And I suspect that Fuzzy will never be able to understand this.
I get it. It the 'how' part of Hitler and the Nazi's rise to power. Though you got to remember even then, Hitler didn't even get a third of the votes, but Germany didn't run a two party system like the US does.

Though are forgetting that Hitler and the Nazis weren't keeping their antisemitism under wraps, that was part of their whole platform. Liberalism and the Jews screwed over Germany in the last war. Antisemitism was prevalent all of the world, a carry over of centuries of distrust of the Jews.
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