Hamas Attacks Israel

[clearspira]

I mean as far as there being no good guys or bad guys in the "Great" War, that goes without saying. As far as any account I've read on the proceedings of the conflict though, Russia, UK, and France acted rather consistently in accordance with how UN or NATO contingencies are carried out.

I mean I'm sure there's a bit of a breakdown there by modern standards, but given there WASN'T an international charter or modernist association between them... The political proceedings for that matter were as if governors of each state in the US acted as the legislative and judicial body of the country. It's hard to imagine getting down like that. All they know by that nature with respect to one another is trade deficits.

I would like to share this gem from Blackadder.


Private Baldrick:
No, the thing is: The way I see it, these days there's a war on, right? and, ages ago, there wasn't a war on, right? So, there must have been a moment when there not being a war on went away, right? and there being a war on came along. So, what I want to know is: How did we get from the one case of affairs to the other case of affairs?

Captain Blackadder:
Do you mean "How did the war start?"

Lieutenant George:
The war started because of the vile Hun and his villainous empire- building.

Captain Blackadder:
George, the British Empire at present covers a quarter of the globe, while the German Empire consists of a small sausage factory in Tanganiki. I hardly think that we can be entirely absolved of blame on the imperialistic front.

Lieutenant George:
Oh, no, sir, absolutely not. [aside, to Baldrick] Mad as a bicycle!

Private Baldrick:
I heard that it started when a bloke called Archie Duke shot an ostrich 'cause he was hungry.

Captain Blackadder:
I think you mean it started when the Archduke of Austro-Hungary got shot.

Private Baldrick:
Nah, there was definitely an ostrich involved, sir.

Captain Blackadder:
Well, possibly. But the real reason for the whole thing was that it was too much effort not to have a war.

Lieutenant George:
By Gum, this is interesting. I always loved history. The Battle of Hastings, Henry VIII and his six knives, all that.

Captain Blackadder:
You see, Baldrick, in order to prevent war in Europe, two superblocs developed: us, the French and the Russians on one side, and the Germans and Austro-Hungary on the other. The idea was to have two vast opposing armies, each acting as the other's deterrent. That way there could never be a war.

Private Baldrick:
But, this is a sort of a war, isn't it, sir?

Captain Blackadder:
Yes, that's right. You see, there was a tiny flaw in the plan.

Private Baldrick:
What was that, sir?

Captain Blackadder:
It was bollocks.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I mean as far as there being no good guys or bad guys in the "Great" War, that goes without saying. As far as any account I've read on the proceedings of the conflict though, Russia, UK, and France acted rather consistently in accordance with how UN or NATO contingencies are carried out.

I mean I'm sure there's a bit of a breakdown there by modern standards, but given there WASN'T an international charter or modernist association between them... The political proceedings for that matter were as if governors of each state in the US acted as the legislative and judicial body of the country. It's hard to imagine getting down like that. All they know by that nature with respect to one another is trade deficits.

I would like to share this gem from Blackadder.


Private Baldrick:
No, the thing is: The way I see it, these days there's a war on, right? and, ages ago, there wasn't a war on, right? So, there must have been a moment when there not being a war on went away, right? and there being a war on came along. So, what I want to know is: How did we get from the one case of affairs to the other case of affairs?

Captain Blackadder:
Do you mean "How did the war start?"

Lieutenant George:
The war started because of the vile Hun and his villainous empire- building.

Captain Blackadder:
George, the British Empire at present covers a quarter of the globe, while the German Empire consists of a small sausage factory in Tanganiki. I hardly think that we can be entirely absolved of blame on the imperialistic front.

Lieutenant George:
Oh, no, sir, absolutely not. [aside, to Baldrick] Mad as a bicycle!

Private Baldrick:
I heard that it started when a bloke called Archie Duke shot an ostrich 'cause he was hungry.

Captain Blackadder:
I think you mean it started when the Archduke of Austro-Hungary got shot.

Private Baldrick:
Nah, there was definitely an ostrich involved, sir.

Captain Blackadder:
Well, possibly. But the real reason for the whole thing was that it was too much effort not to have a war.

Lieutenant George:
By Gum, this is interesting. I always loved history. The Battle of Hastings, Henry VIII and his six knives, all that.

Captain Blackadder:
You see, Baldrick, in order to prevent war in Europe, two superblocs developed: us, the French and the Russians on one side, and the Germans and Austro-Hungary on the other. The idea was to have two vast opposing armies, each acting as the other's deterrent. That way there could never be a war.

Private Baldrick:
But, this is a sort of a war, isn't it, sir?

Captain Blackadder:
Yes, that's right. You see, there was a tiny flaw in the plan.

Private Baldrick:
What was that, sir?

Captain Blackadder:
It was bollocks.

I see. So it was predominantly the uk’s fault.

[hammerofglass]

Blackadder being so obscure is criminal.

[clearspira]

I mean as far as there being no good guys or bad guys in the "Great" War, that goes without saying. As far as any account I've read on the proceedings of the conflict though, Russia, UK, and France acted rather consistently in accordance with how UN or NATO contingencies are carried out.

I mean I'm sure there's a bit of a breakdown there by modern standards, but given there WASN'T an international charter or modernist association between them... The political proceedings for that matter were as if governors of each state in the US acted as the legislative and judicial body of the country. It's hard to imagine getting down like that. All they know by that nature with respect to one another is trade deficits.

I would like to share this gem from Blackadder.


Private Baldrick:
No, the thing is: The way I see it, these days there's a war on, right? and, ages ago, there wasn't a war on, right? So, there must have been a moment when there not being a war on went away, right? and there being a war on came along. So, what I want to know is: How did we get from the one case of affairs to the other case of affairs?

Captain Blackadder:
Do you mean "How did the war start?"

Lieutenant George:
The war started because of the vile Hun and his villainous empire- building.

Captain Blackadder:
George, the British Empire at present covers a quarter of the globe, while the German Empire consists of a small sausage factory in Tanganiki. I hardly think that we can be entirely absolved of blame on the imperialistic front.

Lieutenant George:
Oh, no, sir, absolutely not. [aside, to Baldrick] Mad as a bicycle!

Private Baldrick:
I heard that it started when a bloke called Archie Duke shot an ostrich 'cause he was hungry.

Captain Blackadder:
I think you mean it started when the Archduke of Austro-Hungary got shot.

Private Baldrick:
Nah, there was definitely an ostrich involved, sir.

Captain Blackadder:
Well, possibly. But the real reason for the whole thing was that it was too much effort not to have a war.

Lieutenant George:
By Gum, this is interesting. I always loved history. The Battle of Hastings, Henry VIII and his six knives, all that.

Captain Blackadder:
You see, Baldrick, in order to prevent war in Europe, two superblocs developed: us, the French and the Russians on one side, and the Germans and Austro-Hungary on the other. The idea was to have two vast opposing armies, each acting as the other's deterrent. That way there could never be a war.

Private Baldrick:
But, this is a sort of a war, isn't it, sir?

Captain Blackadder:
Yes, that's right. You see, there was a tiny flaw in the plan.

Private Baldrick:
What was that, sir?

Captain Blackadder:
It was bollocks.

I see. So it was predominantly the uk’s fault.

That isn't what that says at all.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Oh. I see. Never mind.

[Nealithi]

Oh, but I forgot. You're an American, aren't you? And as such, you think your country entered the war for all the good reasons, right? Democracy, freedom and such? Wrong. You went in because of Manifest Destiny (you know, the stuff directly responsible for the native extermination on the northern american continent and a war with Mexico and with Canada and with Spain and various colonial aquisitions) and Wilson being a willing stooge for Britain's nefarious schemes, due to his superiority complex, racism and colonial aspirations, you know, the exact shit you probably condemned your country probably just a few weeks ago.

So I have a question. How does the attack on the Lusitania figure into Manifest Destiny?

[Madner Kami]

So I have a question. How does the attack on the Lusitania figure into Manifest Destiny?

I don't follow. What are you asking for?

[Nealithi]

So I have a question. How does the attack on the Lusitania figure into Manifest Destiny?

I don't follow. What are you asking for?

You said in your comment that as an American we would think we fought for democracy etc. But we actually entered the war because good old Manifest Destiny and the like. But what I had been taught was we had no treaties in the war and were staying out of it till the Lusitania was torpedoed.

[CmdrKing]

tldr Wilson was jonesing to join the war SO BAD the entire time and was looking for reasons to join. He ignored plenty of clear warnings and sent ships carrying arms to allies in hopes the Germans would bite.

And fundamentally he wanted to enter the war because, in his mind, it was a means to prove that the US was a legitimate world power the equal, or even superior, to any in Europe and the ones that should shape the post-war world order (hence the League of Nations).

[Madner Kami]

tldr Wilson was jonesing to join the war SO BAD the entire time and was looking for reasons to join. He ignored plenty of clear warnings and sent ships carrying arms to allies in hopes the Germans would bite.

Lusitania being one of those ships no less... And the ship actually being officially registered as an armed merchant cruiser by the British at the time, so the fuss about it's sinking is so ridiculous on a number of levels (even though it didn't recieve any armaments at any points, despite the plans to do so). But that's besides the point.

And fundamentally he wanted to enter the war because, in his mind, it was a means to prove that the US was a legitimate world power the equal, or even superior, to any in Europe and the ones that should shape the post-war world order (hence the League of Nations).

Yes, exactly. Wierdly enough though, the sinking of the Lusitania wasn't directly used as a Casus Belli at the time, despite the Public wanting to. Lusitania was sunk in 1915. The US entered the war in 1917, after Germany declared unrestricted submarine warfare again (they canceled that stance in the wake of the sinking of the Lusitania), because the US kept supplying the UK with war material through civilian ships and, of course, because of the British leaking the Zimmermann-telegrams to the US.

Either way, the League of Nations and all the hubbub surrounding it, was Wilson's brain-child and what I consider an iteration or expansion on the concept of Manifest Destiny, even though I do consider the UN and it's predecessor as a good thing overall. Point being, Wilson was a horrible personality and everything he did and endorsed, should be viewed with suspicion and considered tainted by racism, the white man's burden, even against other white men.