Should the Arkham Knight have been an Original Character?

[Nobody700]

Yeah, I don't think lying to your fans is a bad idea.

Wait you think its a good idea to lie?

[Thebestoftherest]

Good idea I mean

[Winter]

Yeah, I don't think lying to your fans is a good idea.

No you can lie to the fans you just have to do it the right way. Case in point, and this may seem like an odd movie to bring in, Stuart Little 2.

In the build up to the release of the film the trailer to the movie concealed a major plot point from the viewers, that being that Margalo the bird was the minion of Falcon, the main antagonist of the movie. Instead making it look like Falcon was just the villain because he was the Predator and Stuart and Margalo were prey.

This made the twist of the movie all the more shocking as the film and the people making it left out a key detail about the movie.

Or take Avengers: Infinity War and Endgame both either had scenes made for the trailer or altered scenes to conceal the major twist of the film, like editing out Hulk or making it look like Black Widow still had blond hair instead of red.

These work because their little white lies so it's a case of no harm no foul and their still mostly honest about what the story will be.

Contrast this with Masters of the Universe: Revelation, The Last of Us Part II and yes Batman: Arkham Knight.

In all three cases fans had already suspected or figured out the plot twist and in response the people making these stories outright lie to the fans. No Adam/Joel isn't going to die and no Jason isn't the Arkham Knight.

Then they came out and yes Adam and Joel died and Jason is the Arkham Knight. To add insult to injury the people making these shows came out and said "And no one ever figured out the twist".

It's one thing to edit the trailer to hide the twist and to keep quite on the plot, it's quite another to go out into the open and lie to everyone, create scenes to backup this lie and then act all smug and say no one figured it out.

Had they just kept quite and NOT include a scene with Joel that doesn't happen in the game the backlash to these games and show wouldn't have NEARLY been as bad as it was. Fans had suspected that Joel was dead based on the very first trailer and Naughty Dog in a panic decided to come out and say no Joel was alive because TLOU was the story of Ellie AND Joel. And included a scene in the trailers to backup said lie.

In these cases it's not about concealing a twist it's about outsmarting the fans so they lie to make it seem like they've outsmarted us and then rub it in our faces.

Mind you in regards to I still get a bit of a giggle out of the anger Masters of the Universe: Revelation caused some of the "Fans" for the show who declared that this show would be "He-Man Done RIGHT!!!". Aka something we can use to throw shade at She-Ra only for the show to be something they didn't enjoy and just spent the whole time complaining about the show that they were ready to sing the praises for. Still disapprove of Smith lying to people but seeing jackasses who's only interest in this show was to use it as a way to insult my show is a little cathartic.

[CharlesPhipps]

I mean I absolutely think the idea that Arkham Knight is "brainwashed" into hating Batman and not the Red Hood is ridiculous.

He's mad at Batman because Batman failed to save him.

Joker has never had the ability to influence people as they thought.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Just FYI I'm reading canon that Bane's strategic mind came back.

That's not the impression I got in the games, in Arkham City he tried to trick Batman, Batman figured him out pretty much right away and then easily defeated him. If we're talking about the tie-in comics then I'm sorry I'm counting those because the canonisity of them is questionable at best even if they're good or even great. And in regards to the Riddle that reveals where he currently is all I got from that is Bane got fed up with Gotham and went home, can't really blame him, but that's just an Easter Egg and I don't recall it saying that he had regained his mind back.

I could be wrong on that last part but in the games Bane was not really much of a threat after the events of Origin so it would be hard for me to take the idea of him coming back as a serious threat again seriously. Especially since I like that him becoming a dumb brute was due to his own obsession of wanting to break Batman that only led to him breaking himself.

Well Scarecrow was kind of a hazelnut in Asylum then turned into Palpatine in Knight. A lot of it is just in-game rudimentary cutscenes vs rendered cinematics.

He's also in a walking beast mode when you see him in City, so he's not really necessarily dumb, just not particularly athletic on a cognizance level. Wouldn't be a bad cover for his ulterior motives. Honestly I just have a soft spot for intelligent Bane along with your own partialities.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I mean I absolutely think the idea that Arkham Knight is "brainwashed" into hating Batman and not the Red Hood is ridiculous.

He's mad at Batman because Batman failed to save him.

Joker has never had the ability to influence people as they thought.

Another reason for Jason's turn in Arkham was he saw that Drake had replaced him as Robin so he felt expendable.

[Thebestoftherest]

The only reason I wasn't like, "it Jason Todd, it Jason Todd, it is Jason Todd" is I was giving them the benefit of the doubt. Personally I think it would have been better if they are like you know who he is and play that up.

[CharlesPhipps]

I am confused why try and hide it?

Why pretend it's a new villain versus a mostly popular one?

[Winter]

I am confused why try and hide it?

Why pretend it's a new villain versus a mostly popular one?

Because


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[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I am confused why try and hide it?

Why pretend it's a new villain versus a mostly popular one?

Probably because they got away with killing the joker so they thought they could pull another fast one by one upping the best dcaom at the time and expanding his role beyond red hood.

UTRH came out in 2014 I bet and it probably got a lot of new fans, so this was a way to make the twist work for those people in particular while other people more familiar would just see it as a dramatic license done tastefully in game.

They also couldn’t make a new game without the joker, and didn’t want to say that the joker was the main focus of the game. So saying that the knight was an original character would squeeze between that.