Hamas Attacks Israel

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Deledrius wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 7:26 pm
clearspira wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 4:56 pm https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68232883

Suprised this hasn't been mentioned on here yet: Netanyahu rejects Hamas's ceasefire terms.

To quote: "There is no other solution but a complete and final victory.''

Yeah... that is giving the game away a little there. America needs to get tough, they are the only one who can stop this man.
A... final... solution?

That's no accident, surely.

God knows that it is worn out to compare someone to Hitler in 2024. But when you have actual Holocaust victims chasing you for war crimes then it takes on a slightly different significance.
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clearspira wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 6:52 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 6:24 pm
clearspira wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 4:56 pm https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68232883

Suprised this hasn't been mentioned on here yet: Netanyahu rejects Hamas's ceasefire terms.

To quote: "There is no other solution but a complete and final victory.''

Yeah... that is giving the game away a little there. America needs to get tough, they are the only one who can stop this man.
I’m glad you’ve embraced the problematic realization of Israel’s response on the matter.


People are just hoping for some less civilian casualties, and it doesn’t help that the heads of state just kinda shrug their shoulders at the humanitarian concern.
I'm not going to pick over everything I've said for the last few dozen pages because I can't be bothered. Sorry, just being honest with y'all. I am not going to make up some lie.

But I will state this for the official record: you would have to be a legitamate psychopath to continue to back anything that is currently going on. Whatever excuse that once existed is dead and the West turned against Putin for much less than this.
Yeah that all checks through, but what I'm saying is that this has been the prominent concern of national protests in the US.
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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 7:24 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 6:24 pm
clearspira wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 4:56 pm https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68232883

Suprised this hasn't been mentioned on here yet: Netanyahu rejects Hamas's ceasefire terms.

To quote: "There is no other solution but a complete and final victory.''

Yeah... that is giving the game away a little there. America needs to get tough, they are the only one who can stop this man.
I’m glad you’ve embraced the problematic realization of Israel’s response on the matter.


People are just hoping for some less civilian casualties, and it doesn’t help that the heads of state just kinda shrug their shoulders at the humanitarian concern.
I'd say Israel's heads of state aren't so much shrugging their shoulders at humanitarian concerns as they are cackling diabolically at them.
Huh? When have they laughed about it to the media?
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I am speaking figuratively. To my knowledge, they have not yet actually laughed about it to the media.
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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Sat Feb 10, 2024 1:53 am I am speaking figuratively. To my knowledge, they have not yet actually laughed about it to the media.
Yeah I think it still doesn't make sense figuratively. Every address I've seen is sternly about the defense of Israel.
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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:19 pm
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Sat Feb 10, 2024 1:53 am I am speaking figuratively. To my knowledge, they have not yet actually laughed about it to the media.
Yeah I think it still doesn't make sense figuratively. Every address I've seen is sternly about the defense of Israel.
The best defense is a strong offense, so they say...
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phantom000 wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 2:23 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:19 pm
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Sat Feb 10, 2024 1:53 am I am speaking figuratively. To my knowledge, they have not yet actually laughed about it to the media.
Yeah I think it still doesn't make sense figuratively. Every address I've seen is sternly about the defense of Israel.
The best defense is a strong offense, so they say...
Which means it has to be good all the time and your enemy can never get lucky once.
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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2024 1:01 pm
phantom000 wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 2:23 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:19 pm
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Sat Feb 10, 2024 1:53 am I am speaking figuratively. To my knowledge, they have not yet actually laughed about it to the media.
Yeah I think it still doesn't make sense figuratively. Every address I've seen is sternly about the defense of Israel.
The best defense is a strong offense, so they say...
Which means it has to be good all the time and your enemy can never get lucky once.
That is the logical flaw in both of those sayings. Sparta for example famously had no walls - which was fine and dandy whilst it had one of the best armies in the known world. Alexander the Great showed them why that was a foolish boast.

Athens on the other hand famously had very good walls - which was all fine and dandy until Sparta just laid siege to it, starved them out, and then demolished them. That was basically the failure of every European castle too.

You can actually track the end of most of these great empires by it losing one or the other as opposed to being the complete package.

BTW, someone needs to tell Israel the fate of Rome. Boxed in on all sides by enemies, their allies thinning, a militant leadership making foolish decisions, a foreign policy based on attack rather than co-operation. You can learn a lot from history - doomed to repeat it if you don't as they say.
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Hm, Sparta is a bad example for two main reasons:
First, their final defeat was fueled by low birth rates, lack of upwards mobility (the core of the army was composed of the land-owning aristocracy and while you could get demoted from that status, you couldn't be ascended into it) and high losses during their (in hindsight) phyrric victory over Athens in the very war you refered to. Their final kick into the teeth was the defeat at the Battle of Leuctra, where they lost between 500 and 1000 of their Spartiates, which they did not recover from until they were occupied by Rome almost 200 years later.
The second is, that Sparta the city might not have had walls. But it had an acropolis like all greek states (a citadel located on a mountain or large hill) and was surrounded by mountains on all sides, with very few access-ways. The walls weren't the "shields of their men", their walls were mountains. As so often: What made Sparta great, was master-crafted rethoric.
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