Utah passes anti-trans bathroom ban

[McAvoy]

clearspira I realize what you got sold was a scare story about an impulsive decision where they're giving eight year olds hormones and surgeries, but that's not a real thing. Because of course it isn't, that would be ridiculous.

There's a ton of evaluations from multiple doctors, at younger ages it's the same puberty blockers kids with precious puberty have been getting for decades which once the kid goes off them they go into puberty like normal with no lasting effects. Once they're older they can get the drugs that give them the right puberty, which saves a hell of a lot of trouble later. The number of actual surgeries before 18 isn't zero but it's damn near.

Also if you look through all those detransition horror stories you'll find it's all the same handful of names over and over. The actual detransition rate is only 3%.

Out of curiousity, what time frames are we looking at when it comes to delaying puberty? I am no expert but if let's say you take these hormone blockers that stops puberty at age 12 or younger and that person is off of them at 20, does that mean puberty will jump start itself? Or is there an age where once get to it, it won't happen?

[hammerofglass]

clearspira I realize what you got sold was a scare story about an impulsive decision where they're giving eight year olds hormones and surgeries, but that's not a real thing. Because of course it isn't, that would be ridiculous.

There's a ton of evaluations from multiple doctors, at younger ages it's the same puberty blockers kids with precious puberty have been getting for decades which once the kid goes off them they go into puberty like normal with no lasting effects. Once they're older they can get the drugs that give them the right puberty, which saves a hell of a lot of trouble later. The number of actual surgeries before 18 isn't zero but it's damn near.

Also if you look through all those detransition horror stories you'll find it's all the same handful of names over and over. The actual detransition rate is only 3%.

Out of curiousity, what time frames are we looking at when it comes to delaying puberty? I am no expert but if let's say you take these hormone blockers that stops puberty at age 12 or younger and that person is off of them at 20, does that mean puberty will jump start itself? Or is there an age where once get to it, it won't happen?

That's really getting into "I'm not a doctor" territory. According to the guide I'm linking it's highly individual but "a few" years. Long enough that it's a decision made by a teenager and not an actual child.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... t-20459075

[McAvoy]

clearspira I realize what you got sold was a scare story about an impulsive decision where they're giving eight year olds hormones and surgeries, but that's not a real thing. Because of course it isn't, that would be ridiculous.

There's a ton of evaluations from multiple doctors, at younger ages it's the same puberty blockers kids with precious puberty have been getting for decades which once the kid goes off them they go into puberty like normal with no lasting effects. Once they're older they can get the drugs that give them the right puberty, which saves a hell of a lot of trouble later. The number of actual surgeries before 18 isn't zero but it's damn near.

Also if you look through all those detransition horror stories you'll find it's all the same handful of names over and over. The actual detransition rate is only 3%.

Out of curiousity, what time frames are we looking at when it comes to delaying puberty? I am no expert but if let's say you take these hormone blockers that stops puberty at age 12 or younger and that person is off of them at 20, does that mean puberty will jump start itself? Or is there an age where once get to it, it won't happen?

That's really getting into "I'm not a doctor" territory. According to the guide I'm linking it's highly individual but "a few" years. Long enough that it's a decision made by a teenager and not an actual child.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... t-20459075

Thanks. Just reminded me of enichs to keep their high voice before puberty kicked in. Not comparing the two, though the bottom surgery for trans women is similar.