Hamas Attacks Israel

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Based on this account, it seems more like an accident than a deliberate massacre.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/is ... ocialshare

Yeah I'm going to take any assertion that this was an accident with a grain of salt, given the amount of spin that has been consistently applied in Israel's favor in media coverage.

[Riedquat]

Based on this account, it seems more like an accident than a deliberate massacre.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/is ... ocialshare

Whilst I can believe it could be an accident I also don't find it too hard to believe that Israel isn't making much effort to avoid accidents. They're still hell-bent on wiping out Hamas (an idea I have no problem with whatsoever, the atrocities they commited last year illustrate strongly just what a vile organisation it is), but really couldn't care who gets in their way to do that, and it all looks very much like they want to hurt Palestine as a whole (it wouldn't surprise me if Netenyahu was glad of an excuse to).

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

SG Christopher Lockyear of Doctors Without Borders says

Israeli forces have attacked our convoys, detained our staff, bulldozed our vehicles, hospitals have been bombed and raided. And now for a second time, one of our staff shelters has been hit. This pattern of attacks is either intentional or indicative of reckless incompetence. Our colleagues in #Gaza are fearful that as I speak to you today, they will be punished tomorrow.

Doctors Without Borders rarely make political statements of any kind.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

[Madner Kami]

Based on this account, it seems more like an accident than a deliberate massacre.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/is ... ocialshare

Whilst I can believe it could be an accident I also don't find it too hard to believe that Israel isn't making much effort to avoid accidents. They're still hell-bent on wiping out Hamas (an idea I have no problem with whatsoever, the atrocities they commited last year illustrate strongly just what a vile organisation it is), but really couldn't care who gets in their way to do that, and it all looks very much like they want to hurt Palestine as a whole (it wouldn't surprise me if Netenyahu was glad of an excuse to).

The funny thing is, the leaders of Israel don't even need to order massacres and atrocities. Their own people do it out of their own volition, thanks to their propaganda. That country is suffering from the same malaise Germany was in the 1930s and 40s. Define an enemy and dehumanize them. The rest comes all on it's own. And Hamas did their very best to help that.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

What Hamas did is completely irrelevant at this point.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

What Hamas did is completely irrelevant at this point.

Yes everyone is on board with that assertion I would say.

[Madner Kami]

What Hamas did is completely irrelevant at this point.

Yes everyone is on board with that assertion I would say.

No. Hamas is just as much to blame as Netanyahu and the israeli far right as a whole.

[Riedquat]

What Hamas did is completely irrelevant at this point.

No, it is not. Not remotely. This isn't a case of having to pick sides, and the behaviour of one in no way lets the other off the hook for what they've done. You're trying to handwave away their rapes and murders (sometimes at the same time) and hostage-taking just because you don't like what Israel is doing. And you shouldn't like what Israel is doing, and it needs to be stopped, but taking things out of context like you want to do can lead to very, very bad conclusions.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

What Hamas did is completely irrelevant at this point.

Yes everyone is on board with that assertion I would say.

No. Hamas is just as much to blame as Netanyahu and the israeli far right as a whole.

I guess I just meant more like a 0 to 1 scale on Israel's contemptibility at this point. Their response probably wouldn't best be described as measured.