Winter wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 2:46 am
Why does Katara always get the short end of the stick in adaptations of The Last Airbender? Like both the film and the show make her so... weak.
Scarlet Johansen said something that every single female actress is always praised by a male director by saying, "She can display vulnerability." It is the no. 1 thing that is asked of female actresses, even in action movies.
Never, "Does she look like she can kick ass and take names or get furious?"
But yes, essentially Avatar The Last Air Bender is a show that needed someone to watch Buffy.
Sokka is Xander, Katara is Buffy
Every single one of the most popular STRONG FEMALE PROTAGONISTS displays vulnerability. Every last one. That is the difference between what society deems to be the strong FEMININE and the strong MASCULINE. To deny this is to deny reality.
You speak of Buffy? She is the perfect example. She kicks ass better than any man, better than almost any woman, and yet the whole of season 2 and 3 is her broken after being betrayed by her man. Y'know - like a real teenage girl would be?
Is that fair? Oh, hell no. But that is the way it is. And that isn't changing any time soon. You can try and change it but you are going to fail because society is not there yet.
Just as btw, we don't get many vulnerable male action heroes. And when they do, like Fat Thor, they are roundly criticised. It is the exact same kind of sexism just in reverse.
Yep, patriarchy hurts everyone
Another example: the LOTR movies did vulnerable strong masculine protagonists wonderfully (to the point that Aragorn is the go-to representative of healthy masculinity along with Iroh) twenty years ago, were a giant hit, and had absolutely no impact on how later media handled it.
Winter wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 2:46 am
Why does Katara always get the short end of the stick in adaptations of The Last Airbender? Like both the film and the show make her so... weak.
Scarlet Johansen said something that every single female actress is always praised by a male director by saying, "She can display vulnerability." It is the no. 1 thing that is asked of female actresses, even in action movies.
Never, "Does she look like she can kick ass and take names or get furious?"
But yes, essentially Avatar The Last Air Bender is a show that needed someone to watch Buffy.
Sokka is Xander, Katara is Buffy
Every single one of the most popular STRONG FEMALE PROTAGONISTS displays vulnerability. Every last one. That is the difference between what society deems to be the strong FEMININE and the strong MASCULINE. To deny this is to deny reality.
You speak of Buffy? She is the perfect example. She kicks ass better than any man, better than almost any woman, and yet the whole of season 2 and 3 is her broken after being betrayed by her man. Y'know - like a real teenage girl would be?
Is that fair? Oh, hell no. But that is the way it is. And that isn't changing any time soon. You can try and change it but you are going to fail because society is not there yet.
Just as btw, we don't get many vulnerable male action heroes. And when they do, like Fat Thor, they are roundly criticised. It is the exact same kind of sexism just in reverse.
Somehow you completely missed everything I made in my point.
clearspira wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:49 am
Just as btw, we don't get many vulnerable male action heroes. And when they do, like Fat Thor, they are roundly criticised. It is the exact same kind of sexism just in reverse.
Counterpoint: People do seem to be enjoying Ken being Kenough.
Is that growth? An exception? I don't know.
I think Aragorn and Newt Scamander are great positive examples for men in cinema.
Deledrius wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 1:47 am
I think Aragorn and Newt Scamander are great positive examples for men in cinema.
Aragorn sure, I've been hearing that for ages. That though is legit the first time I've heard Newt praised in such a fashion. From what I've gathered even the super hardcore Potterheads, the ones who really don't want you to bring up Rowling's twitter activities, or have divorced her entirely from what they regard to be their setting, don't care much for those films after the first one.
Winter wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 2:46 am
Why does Katara always get the short end of the stick in adaptations of The Last Airbender? Like both the film and the show make her so... weak.
Scarlet Johansen said something that every single female actress is always praised by a male director by saying, "She can display vulnerability." It is the no. 1 thing that is asked of female actresses, even in action movies.
Never, "Does she look like she can kick ass and take names or get furious?"
But yes, essentially Avatar The Last Air Bender is a show that needed someone to watch Buffy.
Sokka is Xander, Katara is Buffy
Every single one of the most popular STRONG FEMALE PROTAGONISTS displays vulnerability. Every last one. That is the difference between what society deems to be the strong FEMININE and the strong MASCULINE. To deny this is to deny reality.
You speak of Buffy? She is the perfect example. She kicks ass better than any man, better than almost any woman, and yet the whole of season 2 and 3 is her broken after being betrayed by her man. Y'know - like a real teenage girl would be?
Is that fair? Oh, hell no. But that is the way it is. And that isn't changing any time soon. You can try and change it but you are going to fail because society is not there yet.
Just as btw, we don't get many vulnerable male action heroes. And when they do, like Fat Thor, they are roundly criticised. It is the exact same kind of sexism just in reverse.
Somehow you completely missed everything I made in my point.
Deledrius wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 1:47 am
I think Aragorn and Newt Scamander are great positive examples for men in cinema.
Aragorn sure, I've been hearing that for ages. That though is legit the first time I've heard Newt praised in such a fashion. From what I've gathered even the super hardcore Potterheads, the ones who really don't want you to bring up Rowling's twitter activities, or have divorced her entirely from what they regard to be their setting, don't care much for those films after the first one.
See i like Newt. he is a different kind of character and he beat the unbeatable wand simply by not using a wand in the first movie. I saw the second and lost interest, but not because of Newt. But because it seemed less focused on him and more on everyone but him. So I had no interest to see the third film.
Deledrius wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 1:47 am
I think Aragorn and Newt Scamander are great positive examples for men in cinema.
Aragorn sure, I've been hearing that for ages. That though is legit the first time I've heard Newt praised in such a fashion. From what I've gathered even the super hardcore Potterheads, the ones who really don't want you to bring up Rowling's twitter activities, or have divorced her entirely from what they regard to be their setting, don't care much for those films after the first one.
Yeah, completely ignoring JKR's damage and the FB films as a whole because they're inconsistent at best (what a mess they've been!) and just talking about Newt. He's a great example of a positive male protagonist with some traditional and some non-traditional qualities.
