The Left was Anti-War even during the lead up to WW2 (and the Right was not)

[hammerofglass]

Who told you the American Empire was benevolent, anyway? I went to grade school on an Air Force base where instilling patriotic sentiment was an explicit goal of the curriculum and even they didn't try a whopper that big.

[TGLS]

It's not about defending Japan's actions, it's about how America has no moral high ground.

I'll be the first to admit that the American moral position wasn't particularly high in the 40s. The Soviet and British moral positions weren't either. It's just that the forces opposing them (Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany, etc.) had such low moral positions that the American moral position resembles Everest.

[McAvoy]

It's not about defending Japan's actions, it's about how America has no moral high ground.

I'll be the first to admit that the American moral position wasn't particularly high in the 40s. The Soviet and British moral positions weren't either. It's just that the forces opposing them (Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany, etc.) had such low moral positions that the American moral position resembles Everest.

I really don't think anyone with even a marginal knowledge of American politics pre-WW2 and during the war would say that Americans held a high morale standard. Anyone you says they did, are either drank the kool-aid or are just ignorant of the subject.

I mean, George Takei himself would have some words about that.

There is no moral comparison between the US and Japan or Germany. Also, the US didn't have act upon using some sort of moral high ground to go to war with Germany and Japan.

Japan committed an action that is a clear act of war. This isn't up for debate, that is exactly what it was and anyone wmeoukd know this to be true. Germany declared war on the US days later and that was Hitler's fault.

[KuudereKun]

It's not about defending Japan's actions, it's about how America has no moral high ground.

I'll be the first to admit that the American moral position wasn't particularly high in the 40s. The Soviet and British moral positions weren't either. It's just that the forces opposing them (Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany, etc.) had such low moral positions that the American moral position resembles Everest.

I really don't think anyone with even a marginal knowledge of American politics pre-WW2 and during the war would say that Americans held a high morale standard. Anyone you says they did, are either drank the kool-aid or are just ignorant of the subject.

I mean, George Takei himself would have some words about that.

There is no moral comparison between the US and Japan or Germany. Also, the US didn't have act upon using some sort of moral high ground to go to war with Germany and Japan.

Japan committed an action that is a clear act of war. This isn't up for debate, that is exactly what it was and anyone wmeoukd know this to be true. Germany declared war on the US days later and that was Hitler's fault.

The thing is when a Bear declares War on a T-Rex, the T-Rex doesn't have to acknowledge it.

[Nobody700]

Are you guys still arguing this point with him? He cannot, will not, see reason or nuance. Just stop debating him, he's not going to change and this argument makes no sense beyond the fact he's... well... I won't say cause community guidelines.

[Nealithi]

It's not about defending Japan's actions, it's about how America has no moral high ground.

I'll be the first to admit that the American moral position wasn't particularly high in the 40s. The Soviet and British moral positions weren't either. It's just that the forces opposing them (Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany, etc.) had such low moral positions that the American moral position resembles Everest.

I really don't think anyone with even a marginal knowledge of American politics pre-WW2 and during the war would say that Americans held a high morale standard. Anyone you says they did, are either drank the kool-aid or are just ignorant of the subject.

I mean, George Takei himself would have some words about that.

There is no moral comparison between the US and Japan or Germany. Also, the US didn't have act upon using some sort of moral high ground to go to war with Germany and Japan.

Japan committed an action that is a clear act of war. This isn't up for debate, that is exactly what it was and anyone wmeoukd know this to be true. Germany declared war on the US days later and that was Hitler's fault.

The thing is when a Bear declares War on a T-Rex, the T-Rex doesn't have to acknowledge it.

The nothing is ever worth fighting defense. This is the line used in 'duty to retreat' laws. Person kicks in your door and chases you and your two children through the house with a machete. You retreat through the house. Blocked from fleeing. Finally cornered in the basement you get a handgun loaded and fire one shot. Killing the attacker. But there was one more door down in the basement. So the parent goes to prison. Also the police do not have a duty to protect.
This is the background sentiment for those kinds of laws and rulings.

[hammerofglass]

It's not about defending Japan's actions, it's about how America has no moral high ground.

I'll be the first to admit that the American moral position wasn't particularly high in the 40s. The Soviet and British moral positions weren't either. It's just that the forces opposing them (Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany, etc.) had such low moral positions that the American moral position resembles Everest.

I really don't think anyone with even a marginal knowledge of American politics pre-WW2 and during the war would say that Americans held a high morale standard. Anyone you says they did, are either drank the kool-aid or are just ignorant of the subject.

I mean, George Takei himself would have some words about that.

There is no moral comparison between the US and Japan or Germany. Also, the US didn't have act upon using some sort of moral high ground to go to war with Germany and Japan.

Japan committed an action that is a clear act of war. This isn't up for debate, that is exactly what it was and anyone wmeoukd know this to be true. Germany declared war on the US days later and that was Hitler's fault.

The thing is when a Bear declares War on a T-Rex, the T-Rex doesn't have to acknowledge it.

It does, though? Predators that don't defend their territory starve to death.

[TGLS]

Hawaii was in the process of becoming an actual State soon, those other territories were not.

Well, sort of? The territory made multiple attempts at being admitted as a state that went nowhere until the mid-fifties when the power of the planters was broken.

On the other hand, the Philippines was put into a transitional period that fixed its independence date to July 4, 1946. And that's what happened.

On the other hand, in 1941 the Japanese Ministry of War set out a plan to annex The Philippines into the "Government-General of Formosa", which they only walked back as they were losing the war.

[KuudereKun]

Are you guys still arguing this point with him? He cannot, will not, see reason or nuance. Just stop debating him, he's not going to change and this argument makes no sense beyond the fact he's... well... I won't say cause community guidelines.

Ya know, we've argued to far off topic.

The actual point of the OP I care about (which I have revised the original blog from the form it's in here) is about the Absurdity of online leftists refusing to acknowledge you could be Left Wing and still not support this specific War.

I have no idea what I would be thinking if I were actually alive at the time. What I'm agaisnt is the revisionism that pretends Left Wing Pacifastin didn't exist in this time period.

[McAvoy]

It's not about defending Japan's actions, it's about how America has no moral high ground.

I'll be the first to admit that the American moral position wasn't particularly high in the 40s. The Soviet and British moral positions weren't either. It's just that the forces opposing them (Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany, etc.) had such low moral positions that the American moral position resembles Everest.

I really don't think anyone with even a marginal knowledge of American politics pre-WW2 and during the war would say that Americans held a high morale standard. Anyone you says they did, are either drank the kool-aid or are just ignorant of the subject.

I mean, George Takei himself would have some words about that.

There is no moral comparison between the US and Japan or Germany. Also, the US didn't have act upon using some sort of moral high ground to go to war with Germany and Japan.

Japan committed an action that is a clear act of war. This isn't up for debate, that is exactly what it was and anyone wmeoukd know this to be true. Germany declared war on the US days later and that was Hitler's fault.

The thing is when a Bear declares War on a T-Rex, the T-Rex doesn't have to acknowledge it.

But let's say that Bear after declaring war decides to take your kills, your territory, attacking and killing the young T-Rexes? Does that T-Rex just shrugs it off?

No that T-Rex wouldn't.

This isn't like Japan attacked Hawaii and left the US alone afterwards. They actively attacked US and British bases in the Philippines, Guam, Midway Island, Wake Island, Malaya, and Hong Kong.