MissKittyFantastico wrote:I don't recall the exact lines, but I'm sure the fighters being recalled was something to do with the range being too great for the Star Destroyers to 'support' them; for what it's worth I remember one (maybe both?) of Kylo's escort fighters being blown up in pretty much the same moment that was said. I'm not sure why the fighters were suddenly that much more vulnerable just because the Star Destroyers' shots were weaker - unless the Resistance gunners were returning fire at the SDs while they were close enough, and when they pulled away they all started targeting the TIEs (you'd have thought given the chaos they caused, and what I imagine would be the long odds of inflicting significant damage on SDs, the TIEs would have been the priority target anyway - I mean, maybe Kylo's inside run on the hangar was your usual Player Character crazy move nobody could've anticipated, but his wingman Darth Goose took out the bridge just with your standard 'aim at bridge, shoot bridge' manoeuvre) - but whatever, the range opened up and they showed TIEs getting wasted, apparently (somehow) fighters are dead meat without suppressing fire from their mommies.
I don't think so, he only flew in with two standard TIE wingmen,
both of them survive and deliver the bridge shot
And after the whole bridge-explosion-vacuum scene, I think all three of them just go away offscreen. I don't recall them taking any losses in this particular skirmish.
MissKittyFantastico wrote:I don't recall the exact lines, but I'm sure the fighters being recalled was something to do with the range being too great for the Star Destroyers to 'support' them; for what it's worth I remember one (maybe both?) of Kylo's escort fighters being blown up in pretty much the same moment that was said. I'm not sure why the fighters were suddenly that much more vulnerable just because the Star Destroyers' shots were weaker - unless the Resistance gunners were returning fire at the SDs while they were close enough, and when they pulled away they all started targeting the TIEs (you'd have thought given the chaos they caused, and what I imagine would be the long odds of inflicting significant damage on SDs, the TIEs would have been the priority target anyway - I mean, maybe Kylo's inside run on the hangar was your usual Player Character crazy move nobody could've anticipated, but his wingman Darth Goose took out the bridge just with your standard 'aim at bridge, shoot bridge' manoeuvre) - but whatever, the range opened up and they showed TIEs getting wasted, apparently (somehow) fighters are dead meat without suppressing fire from their mommies.
I don't think so, he only flew in with two standard TIE wingmen,
both of them survive and deliver the bridge shot
And after the whole bridge-explosion-vacuum scene, I think all three of them just go away offscreen. I don't recall them taking any losses in this particular skirmish.
I've seen the movie three times, and both of Kylo's wingmen are destroyed after the Bridge-Explosion. The first one is taken out around the time they swing back around, and the second goes down as they are flying along the side of the Raddus.
ChiggyvonRichthofen wrote:
I read the meta-message of the movie as this- the old movies weren't perfect, and if Star Wars is going to continue, it can't rely of recycling the old tropes over and over again. The way forward is to take the spirit of Star Wars and continue in a bold new direction unfettered by the mistakes of the past. Star Wars needs the spirit of the Skywalkers, but it doesn't need the Skywalkers.
It's audacious writing, but I do feel that the message should have been saved for a movie unconnected to the nine-episode saga. This movie had responsibilities as part of a nine-movie set and as the middle part of a trilogy, and it didn't fulfill those responsibilities.
Personally, I'm glad this happened now. If they tried to wait there'd always be the temptation to put it off until another film, or to only do this in the films set outside "The Saga". The old EU was hampered by the 'Responsibilities' people felt it owed to the past and those characters. Even in the 'Legacy' comics we had a Skywalker or Solo as our primary viewpoint character. Our new characters are a breath of fresh air from that perspective, they're all a bunch of Nobodies who were in the wrong place at the right time and became heroes.
GloatingSwine wrote:
Hux is not very clever, but that's a core part of his character since TFA, he's in his position due to ideological fanaticism making him easy to manipulate not because Snoke wants an actually competent overall commander (who might decide he doesn't need a Supreme Leader).
Someone like Say Admiral Harkov, Admiral Zaarin or Grand Admiral Thrawn.
ChiggyvonRichthofen wrote:New characters are a breath of fresh air from that perspective, they're all a bunch of Nobodies who were in the wrong place at the right time and became heroes.
Except they can not be not predestined for whatever they do, because of The Force.
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Ordo wrote:I've seen the movie three times, and both of Kylo's wingmen are destroyed after the Bridge-Explosion. The first one is taken out around the time they swing back around, and the second goes down as they are flying along the side of the Raddus.
Oh, okay, so it happened, but they just didn't draw much attention to it by having us focus on floating Leia instead. And Hux is still being too "We could kill them now, but that's too good for them" again by not launching the other fighters he has available. They have massive reserves, they don't care if they lose a few, and they send far more of them after the speeders than they do against a Mon Cal capital ship.
Ordo wrote:I've seen the movie three times, and both of Kylo's wingmen are destroyed after the Bridge-Explosion. The first one is taken out around the time they swing back around, and the second goes down as they are flying along the side of the Raddus.
Oh, okay, so it happened, but they just didn't draw much attention to it by having us focus on floating Leia instead. And Hux is still being too "We could kill them now, but that's too good for them" again by not launching the other fighters he has available. They have massive reserves, they don't care if they lose a few, and they send far more of them after the speeders than they do against a Mon Cal capital ship.
*snarks*
A) The Calamari cruiser has a bridge and a power core, so can be killed by a freak baby pilot happening to be in a Tie fighter, a kamikaze attack or just generally bad luck.
B) The First Order needs to preserve it's forces, because they are spread too thin from occupying the entire galaxy.
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PerrySimm wrote:Any distinction between Star Wars films with a Roman numeral and those without will soon be lost anyway.
As for The Force, VII brought it back from the brink only for Rogue One and VIII to mess around too much again.
Gotta say, I disagree. I like this direction with the Force....that it's more than just a result of bloodlines. I like Chirrut, and the implication that being attuned to the force is not just the providence of Force Wielders like the Jedi.
I saw it today. It is perhaps my favorite "Star Wars" movie.
It does all the things a sequel should, it ups the stakes not by increasing the order of magnitude the weapons' yields, but by deepening the interpersonal conflict between the characters and exploring previously uninvited territory in the mythology.
It made what was there deeper, and what wasn't there before it made fresh and fulfilling. You know... Like "Empire Strikes Back" did back in the day.
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Ordo wrote:
Gotta say, I disagree. I like this direction with the Force....that it's more than just a result of bloodlines. I like Chirrut, and the implication that being attuned to the force is not just the providence of Force Wielders like the Jedi.
Parts of Rogue One were based on elements of Lucas' undeveloped live-action TV series which would've had plot lines about the Empire suppressing other religious sects in order to keep knowledge of the force exclusive to the Sith (and to explain why Han doesn't believe in the force in ANH).
