Lower Decks season 5

[Durandal_1707]

The engineer sending the crew on a quest to find himself reminded me of Secret of Mana. "His Sageness."

[stryke]

I liked the new one, and wouldn't mind returning there as it felt like such spin off bait.

[CharlesPhipps]

I really don't want Starbase 80 being "Cerritos 2.0."

It should be filled with genuine fuck ups and not good hearted people.

[TGLS]

I really don't want Starbase 80 being "Cerritos 2.0."

It should be filled with genuine fuck ups and not good hearted people.

Why have fuck ups in Starfleet at all? Like, Starfleet isn't so strapped that they can't boot people from their ranks.

[Thebestoftherest]

My point entirely.

[Nobody700]

It could be because Starbate 80 is real far out and no one really has a need to fix it up.

[CharlesPhipps]

Why have fuck ups in Starfleet at all? Like, Starfleet isn't so strapped that they can't boot people from their ranks.

Because that's the way it was used in Season 3 and more interesting.

[clearspira]

Why have fuck ups in Starfleet at all? Like, Starfleet isn't so strapped that they can't boot people from their ranks.

Because that's the way it was used in Season 3 and more interesting.

Herm. I like LD and all, but I really do not like the idea of turning Star Trek into Red Dwarf.

Heres the thing: The super savants of TNG who teach Calculus to their pre-pubescent kids is too far in the opposite direction. But equally, whole ships and stations full of Lister and Rimmer is just as stupid.

[Nealithi]

I really don't want Starbase 80 being "Cerritos 2.0."

It should be filled with genuine fuck ups and not good hearted people.

Why have fuck ups in Starfleet at all? Like, Starfleet isn't so strapped that they can't boot people from their ranks.

Because Starfleet is the military. Guy studying astophysics? Put him in power distribution and forget about him. Because he is not interested in going on an away mission he would have been discharged however.
Guy wants to study gaseous anomalies? Put on a warship because it needs crew. We lost a bunch of people to the borg after all.

But defining a fuck up can also be luck of the draw. Look at the short Trek where the new captain showed up and threw out a biologist to study climate, then never spoke to him again. If he never touched a tribble she would have dumped him from her ship to anywhere else to get someone she liked. He will stop caring and get posted to an outskirt till he quits. Making room for the next person HR wants to pressure to quit. That way "They were idiots" and not "We are elitists with cliques".

[clearspira]

I really don't want Starbase 80 being "Cerritos 2.0."

It should be filled with genuine fuck ups and not good hearted people.

Why have fuck ups in Starfleet at all? Like, Starfleet isn't so strapped that they can't boot people from their ranks.

Because Starfleet is the military. Guy studying astophysics? Put him in power distribution and forget about him. Because he is not interested in going on an away mission he would have been discharged however.
Guy wants to study gaseous anomalies? Put on a warship because it needs crew. We lost a bunch of people to the borg after all.

But defining a fuck up can also be luck of the draw. Look at the short Trek where the new captain showed up and threw out a biologist to study climate, then never spoke to him again. If he never touched a tribble she would have dumped him from her ship to anywhere else to get someone she liked. He will stop caring and get posted to an outskirt till he quits. Making room for the next person HR wants to pressure to quit. That way "They were idiots" and not "We are elitists with cliques".

The Dominion War canonically does account for a lot of this. Even Nog remarked that Starfleet was getting desperate when they promoted him over on DS9.

This does however illustrate once again how bizarre it is that Starfleet ships are so poorly automated when the capability is shown to exist. Scotty got the Enterprise to fly in The Search For Spock with like six people. And yes, it broke, but in fairness, the Enterprise was also still rocking a lot of its battle damage from The Wrath of Khan. And actually, both on ENT with Phlox and VOY with Seven and the Doctor, we see that these ships fly just fine with one or two people.

Janeway does make the point to Seven in one episode that the point of having a crew is that humans want to explore space themselves otherwise we would have ''built a fleet of probes''. And fine, that is a legit point... but I still think that once we have reached the point of ''giving Homer Simpson a job'' we really need to rethink just how many people we need on this ship. PIC introduces Emergency All-Purpose Holograms which is about one of the only things that I like about that show.

And how do these people even make it through the Academy? The savant version from TNG has probably been retconned, but the one from DS9 still seems to be pretty tough. It let Red Squad through but that wasn't a lack of ability that they fucked up.