Thebestoftherest wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:59 amwhich let's be honest was going to be two things a lot of stupid "lost cause" bullshit and probably very racist. Thank goodness HBO gave them the boot.
Never got this complaint. C'mon, do you really think they'd have presented it as a good thing? On a major US channel? Before the US as a whole went even more insane than usual? No chance. It would have just been A Man in the High Castle with a civil war reskin.
Hell it's not like it's not been done before either. C.S.A.: The Confederate States of America came out in 2004 and I'd reccomend tracking it down, as I thought it was worth a watch, as they use the alt history as a highly effective tool to show just how rascist America ended up being anyway in actual history. There's something they do in the credits that genuinely made my jaw drop.
Feels like people want it to have been the worst case scenario due to what they did to GoT.
Thebestoftherest wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:59 amwhich let's be honest was going to be two things a lot of stupid "lost cause" bullshit and probably very racist. Thank goodness HBO gave them the boot.
Never got this complaint. C'mon, do you really think they'd have presented it as a good thing? On a major US channel? Before the US as a whole went even more insane than usual? No chance. It would have just been A Man in the High Castle with a civil war reskin.
Hell it's not like it's not been done before either. C.S.A.: The Confederate States of America came out in 2004 and I'd reccomend tracking it down, as I thought it was worth a watch, as they use the alt history as a highly effective tool to show just how rascist America ended up being anyway in actual history. There's something they do in the credits that genuinely made my jaw drop.
Feels like people want it to have been the worst case scenario due to what they did to GoT.
''A Man in the High Castle'' is an excellent comparison. ''The Handmaid's Tale'' or ''Spartacus Blood and War'' is another because what I'm envisioning as the story based on other shows of the time is one the main characters being a black female slave who has to serve coffee whilst being topless a lot (because its the GoT directors) and this would carry on until the cliffhanger of season 1 which would be a slave rebellion. Very cookie-cutter, very safe.
I don't actually think that you could get away with ''the Confederates are amazing'' on network TV today either given how it is advertising led. Netflix perhaps...
stryke wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 9:58 amNever got this complaint. C'mon, do you really think they'd have presented it as a good thing? On a major US channel? Before the US as a whole went even more insane than usual? No chance. It would have just been A Man in the High Castle with a civil war reskin.
Eh,
I'm not so sure about it because it's only in fairly recent decades that people have started to treat the American Confederacy as something closer to the Nazis versus something more like Grey and Grey Morality. In the Eighties, you had North and South and Gods and Generals that basically treated the South as a bunch of larger than life romantic figures fighting to protect their way of life.
Indeed, Django Unchained got a huge amount of flack from many people for treating Southern plantation owners as the horrifying rapist monsters they were.
Is it wrong to think that we'd get, "They were wrong but had some good points" or that they'd probably have included some Scarlet O'Hara types? Let's face it, there was a massibe backlash to getting rid of statues celebrating Confederate generals--erected in the Sixties.
McAvoy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 3:08 am
Funny thing was is that their plan all along was for five seasons and two movies. HBO was against that. The other funny thing was they were offered to create their own Star Wars project and they rushed through the last two seasons to get to work on that. By doing that, they lost their offer on the Star Wars project.
The two movies project is something that shows just how incredibly arrogant they were because they NEVER BOTHERED TO CHECK TO SEE IF HBO WAS UP FOR THAT. Basically, they made their plans without consulting the executives or the actors involved.
McAvoy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 3:08 am
Funny thing was is that their plan all along was for five seasons and two movies. HBO was against that. The other funny thing was they were offered to create their own Star Wars project and they rushed through the last two seasons to get to work on that. By doing that, they lost their offer on the Star Wars project.
The two movies project is something that shows just how incredibly arrogant they were because they NEVER BOTHERED TO CHECK TO SEE IF HBO WAS UP FOR THAT. Basically, they made their plans without consulting the executives or the actors involved.
Yep. I don't know if it was ego but they should have passed off the show to someone else. With the approval of Martin too, and then they can move on and do their own thing.
But nope. They screwed themselves by rushing the ending. There was no reason to shorten Season 7, no real reason to skip a year from 2017 to 2019 for Season 8 for only six episodes. They shorten both Season 7 and 8 for a combined 7 episodes missing. Episodes that at least could have been used for character development. But nope. So thd question becomes why they decided that.
HBO is on record for wanting more seasons despite how expensive the series was getting. But nope. Gotta get to work on that Star Wars project.
McAvoy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 2:33 am
Yep. I don't know if it was ego but they should have passed off the show to someone else. With the approval of Martin too, and then they can move on and do their own thing.
But nope. They screwed themselves by rushing the ending. There was no reason to shorten Season 7, no real reason to skip a year from 2017 to 2019 for Season 8 for only six episodes. They shorten both Season 7 and 8 for a combined 7 episodes missing. Episodes that at least could have been used for character development. But nope. So thd question becomes why they decided that.
HBO is on record for wanting more seasons despite how expensive the series was getting. But nope. Gotta get to work on that Star Wars project.
The whole thing pisses me off.
As expensive as it was, it was gangbusters for merchandising, which Warner Brothers finally had a new franchise for.
McAvoy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 2:33 am
Yep. I don't know if it was ego but they should have passed off the show to someone else. With the approval of Martin too, and then they can move on and do their own thing.
But nope. They screwed themselves by rushing the ending. There was no reason to shorten Season 7, no real reason to skip a year from 2017 to 2019 for Season 8 for only six episodes. They shorten both Season 7 and 8 for a combined 7 episodes missing. Episodes that at least could have been used for character development. But nope. So thd question becomes why they decided that.
HBO is on record for wanting more seasons despite how expensive the series was getting. But nope. Gotta get to work on that Star Wars project.
The whole thing pisses me off.
As expensive as it was, it was gangbusters for merchandising, which Warner Brothers finally had a new franchise for.
It was. It was the next big thing. The next Star Wars. The next MCU.
Just that they did the unimaginable. Made the ending so bad that many fans don't want to re-watch it anymore. Kinda like how the show How I Met Your Mother did.
Shows tend to have a rewatchability. Even if the show declines towards the end, but at least gives the show a closure. Like Friends, but not Seinfeld.
Or like TNG. All Good Things was a great ending even if Season 7 wasn't that great. But How I Met Your Mother ending basically killed the whole series due to the ending basically killing the purpose of the show.
The Sopranos has a infamous ending that pissed off fans but it didn't kill the rewatchability of the show.
Game of Thrones like I said basically did a cliff notes on what should have been at least 20 episodes in a 6 episode season. Just killed it and we could go over why. But we all know why.
Thebestoftherest wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 3:38 am
Didn't the blu ray of How I met your mother give it an alternative ending?
I don't know. All I know the aired one was crap. Don't get me wrong I know why. The kids that was in the early episodes was filmed for the ending years before the series ending. Smart. But they should have filmed alternate endings with random names if they were going to do that.
