Dr. WHO: Aliens in London/World War III

[CareerKnight]

Incidentally, in real life British nuclear submarine captains have autonomy in firing nukes themselves if the situation is dire enough- never mind the UN, not even the British government itself necessarily needs to be consulted before a weapon is fired. The logic for this is that the most likely culprit of a nuclear attack is of course Russia (or those bastards in France of course), and it would not take long at all for a missile fired from Russia to hit the UK (not even counting Russian subs or anything nearer), so unlike the United States (where the President has the sole authority...according to the end of the movie Crimson Tide at least <_<) this type of freedom is (if you're not anti-nuke of course) somewhat warranted.

Seriously!? That is messed up.

One of the checks on that is they have standing orders not to fire if the BBC Today Show is still broadcasting.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... ar-1157478

This is still a step up from the level of a security from when the RAF kept the bombs. They secured them using a bike lock.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7097101.stm

I... I... I... what the hell is wrong with the UK?

Well at least unlike the USSR/Russia and the US I haven't heard of them almost accidentally starting a nuclear war (Seriously, the birthday of that Russian who went to sleep rather than launching nukes in response to a training exercise should be an international holiday).

[TGLS]

One of the checks on that is they have standing orders not to fire if the BBC Today Show is still broadcasting.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... ar-1157478

I am now imagining a scenario where Margaret Thatcher closing the BBC causes an accidental nuclear war.

[CrypticMirror]

Incidentally, in real life British nuclear submarine captains have autonomy in firing nukes themselves if the situation is dire enough- never mind the UN, not even the British government itself necessarily needs to be consulted before a weapon is fired. The logic for this is that the most likely culprit of a nuclear attack is of course Russia (or those bastards in France of course), and it would not take long at all for a missile fired from Russia to hit the UK (not even counting Russian subs or anything nearer), so unlike the United States (where the President has the sole authority...according to the end of the movie Crimson Tide at least <_<) this type of freedom is (if you're not anti-nuke of course) somewhat warranted.

Seriously!? That is messed up.

One of the checks on that is they have standing orders not to fire if the BBC Today Show is still broadcasting.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... ar-1157478

This is still a step up from the level of a security from when the RAF kept the bombs. They secured them using a bike lock.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7097101.stm

I... I... I... what the hell is wrong with the UK?

It is the reason why we cannot decide if this is a comedy, or a prophetic broadcast from the future:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN0ixdOsrY0
[remain indoors]

[Nevix]

I then decided to give it all a chance again and well... ugh. This two parter. But I reminded myself that the two parter I had already seen that was good was also in that season, so I trudged on, but... blech. Also doesn't help that as things went on I came to really despise Rose. So, that didn't help either.

I eventually did go back and watch the first four seasons. Tennant is okay. but I just despiiiiiise Rose and the bad comedy and the seasons are just impossible for me to like as a whole.

I watched the first 5 (or maybe 6) seasons of the New Who... and then stopped.

I honestly did NOT get the Rose hate until I was partway through the Moffat era seasons that I did watch, and got frustrated with the constant "Lawl here's the once an episode reminder of the big overarching season long plot that's not needed but I'M STEPHEN MOFFAT AND YOU WILL LOVE MY OVERARCHING STORYLINE!" moments in each episode.

And that was the moment where I saw how other people saw Rose in the RTD era.

Personally, my favorite episodes that I look back at are the Chris Eccleston episodes. I honestly think he's the best of the New Who Doctors, although I haven't seen the 12th Doctor yet, or the 13th Doctor (who I don't think is actually in an episode yet.)

It's an odd thing. The RTD era had really stupid aliens, and some really awful episodes too. But the Moffat era has it's own kind of stupid, especially in the overarching plot and asking questions that at least I never gave a &*^* about. (Doctor Who?! Who cares! He's the Doctor!)

It's kind of moot though, as I stopped watching the New Who series.

I HATE the farting aliens. Say what you will about Steven Moffat, but he knew how to create awesome aliens-of-the-week, and kept some kind of intrigue in his running stories (even if he did struggle to cap it at times - though Davies had a similar issue).

See the above reply for my feelings on Stephen Moffat Vs RTD. (They both had flaws, and I'm meh on the series to the point of not watching anymore.)

[SuccubusYuri]

Rose is still...mostly bearable this early in the series. I think most of us who loathe her really only reserve that for when she starts to display not only an utter lack of empathy, but the show starts to pat her on the back for it. Here? She's fine, she's still normal and relatable.

I think that's what tips it. Flawed companions are fine, but RTD did not see Rose's selfishness and jealousy that bordered on vitriolic loathing for anyone the Doctor even SPOKE to as flaws, so that his constant propping it up as "so romantic" and some idyllic portrayal of the youthful female companion, that we just can't let it pass without comment xD

[TorroesPrime]

Rose is still...mostly bearable this early in the series. I think most of us who loathe her really only reserve that for when she starts to display not only an utter lack of empathy, but the show starts to pat her on the back for it. Here? She's fine, she's still normal and relatable.

I think that's what tips it. Flawed companions are fine, but RTD did not see Rose's selfishness and jealousy that bordered on vitriolic loathing for anyone the Doctor even SPOKE to as flaws, so that his constant propping it up as "so romantic" and some idyllic portrayal of the youthful female companion, that we just can't let it pass without comment xD

I donno, maybe my opinion will change with a re-watching of it, but I remember disliking Rose because she flip flopped between capable, if unaware, and helpful to 'what the fuck are you doing you damn moron?!" with very little in between, at least first the first series.

[Durandal_1707]

^ Me too. The contrast was also why I fell instantly in love with Martha, who was consistently written as intelligent and competent throughout the one season she was in. Of course, they completely ruined that every time she showed up in a cameo afterward, but eh, it's RTD, what can you do.

I've never understood the Moffat hate. He's got plenty of obvious flaws, but he's still clearly the best showrunner that Doctor Who has had.

[FaxModem1]

I've never understood the Moffat hate. He's got plenty of obvious flaws, but he's still clearly the best showrunner that Doctor Who has had.

"Its the top layer if you want to say a few words"

[Jonathan101]

Incidentally, in real life British nuclear submarine captains have autonomy in firing nukes themselves if the situation is dire enough- never mind the UN, not even the British government itself necessarily needs to be consulted before a weapon is fired. The logic for this is that the most likely culprit of a nuclear attack is of course Russia (or those bastards in France of course), and it would not take long at all for a missile fired from Russia to hit the UK (not even counting Russian subs or anything nearer), so unlike the United States (where the President has the sole authority...according to the end of the movie Crimson Tide at least <_<) this type of freedom is (if you're not anti-nuke of course) somewhat warranted.

Seriously!? That is messed up.

One of the checks on that is they have standing orders not to fire if the BBC Today Show is still broadcasting.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... ar-1157478

This is still a step up from the level of a security from when the RAF kept the bombs. They secured them using a bike lock.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7097101.stm

I... I... I... what the hell is wrong with the UK?

It is the reason why we cannot decide if this is a comedy, or a prophetic broadcast from the future:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN0ixdOsrY0
[remain indoors]

To be fair, our nukes are in the hand of highly trained and seasoned Royal Navy submarine commanders.

The United States are in the hands of an orange in a business suit.

Pick your poison.

[CrypticMirror]

Incidentally, in real life British nuclear submarine captains have autonomy in firing nukes themselves if the situation is dire enough- never mind the UN, not even the British government itself necessarily needs to be consulted before a weapon is fired. The logic for this is that the most likely culprit of a nuclear attack is of course Russia (or those bastards in France of course), and it would not take long at all for a missile fired from Russia to hit the UK (not even counting Russian subs or anything nearer), so unlike the United States (where the President has the sole authority...according to the end of the movie Crimson Tide at least <_<) this type of freedom is (if you're not anti-nuke of course) somewhat warranted.

Seriously!? That is messed up.

One of the checks on that is they have standing orders not to fire if the BBC Today Show is still broadcasting.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... ar-1157478

This is still a step up from the level of a security from when the RAF kept the bombs. They secured them using a bike lock.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7097101.stm

I... I... I... what the hell is wrong with the UK?

It is the reason why we cannot decide if this is a comedy, or a prophetic broadcast from the future:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN0ixdOsrY0
[remain indoors]

To be fair, our nukes are in the hand of highly trained and seasoned Royal Navy submarine commanders.

The United States are in the hands of an orange in a business suit.

Pick your poison.

I prefer the way Ireland handles its nukes. I certainly do not like the way England does, which is by parking them in my country instead of Portsmouth or on the Thames.

I've never understood the Moffat hate. He's got plenty of obvious flaws, but he's still clearly the best showrunner that Doctor Who has had.

Limiting it just to rebooted Who, he's second best of the three behind the man who managed to get the show rebooted. Nobody could top that, even with the fart jokes. I didn't even mind the fart jokes, but then I liked Time and the Rani. Of all Who, he's... still behind RTD who gets to be just behind Verity Lambert at the top of the pile. I'd put Moffat at the second bottom just behind P.D. Segal. Oddly enough, he's still ahead of the same person when just limited to NuWho.