Another School Shooting, this time in Florida

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Then, with all due respect, there's not much point in me debating this further with you, and I'll try not to engage you on the subject.

I still want to say this, to you, and to everyone on the pro-gun side of the debate:
Please don't talk shit about the parkland kids. You can question the practicality of their ideas, the implimentation, the logistics, the ideological soundness, but like...they are not puppets of a news media concspiracy. They are not paid actors. They are teenagers who were just attending a normal day of school when somebody killed seventeen of their classmates in a matter of minutes. They are trying to do something to make sure this doesn't happen again, which is more than I can say for a lot of people with both more power and more responsibility than them.

[Admiral X]

Define "talk shit." I mean, I don't think anyone should be free from criticism for saying something, and if anything I find it disgusting that these children are essentially being used as shields for the anti-gun lobby. They've brainwashed them into repeating the same stupid things they've been saying for decades, but now when someone says something back it's, "how dare you say something mean to children!"

Oh, and incidentally, not all the Parkland students are anti-gun, it's just that the anti-gun ones are the only ones getting media coverage.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

I mean don't say anything about them that would get you temp-banned for uncivil behavior if you said it to me. Is that clear enough for you?

[excalibur]

Then, with all due respect, there's not much point in me debating this further with you, and I'll try not to engage you on the subject.

I still want to say this, to you, and to everyone on the pro-gun side of the debate:
Please don't talk shit about the parkland kids. You can question the practicality of their ideas, the implimentation, the logistics, the ideological soundness, but like...they are not puppets of a news media concspiracy. They are not paid actors. They are teenagers who were just attending a normal day of school when somebody killed seventeen of their classmates in a matter of minutes. They are trying to do something to make sure this doesn't happen again, which is more than I can say for a lot of people with both more power and more responsibility than them.

Exactly. They're kids. What the fuck do they know about our rights as adults. They are being taught and manipulated into thinking that our rights makes them less safe when it is what protects us from tyranny. They are sheltered in bubbles by society and not taught that once they become adults, the would is a harsh place where only the strong survives and the only reason why weak people around around is because the strong protects them. The ones that the news didn't put a spotlight on, some who were actually shot and survived are angry at the police, at the government for not coming to save them. Those kids are not angry at the gun used but at the person who shot them. They now see that their so called protectors were not there to protect them and their fellows are pushing their own agenda against others.

[excalibur]

I mean don't say anything about them that would get you temp-banned for uncivil behavior if you said it to me. Is that clear enough for you?

That sounds like a threat that admins on Facebook would throw at you for "speaking your mind"

So if I call those kids who "marched for our lives" a bunch of uneducated, manipulative, opportunities punks who know not a damn thing they are even protesting about...I'm gonna get "temp banned" for "uncivil behavior"

Is that what we've come to?

[Robovski]

I stand by my earlier statement that I don't care what kids have to say on the subject. I care what voting citizens have to say on the subject.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

I mean don't say anything about them that would get you temp-banned for uncivil behavior if you said it to me. Is that clear enough for you?

That sounds like a threat that admins on Facebook would throw at you for "speaking your mind"

So if I call those kids who "marched for our lives" a bunch of uneducated, manipulative, opportunities punks who know not a damn thing they are even protesting about...I'm gonna get "temp banned" for "uncivil behavior"

Is that what we've come to?

It's not a frelling threat!
It's a request!
It is me PLEADING with you, because I've seen so many cases of people in power demeaning these kids for wanting to survive.
You may notice that I am NOT an Admin, on facebook or on this forum. I have no POWER to enforce these things. I am ASKING you, and trying if not succeeding to be polite about it.

They are NOT sheltered. They are not insulated. They have stared death in the face!

How can you honestly complain about "kids today" as if they're spoiled brats for wanting to not get shot? They are trying to honor the memories of their dead classmates, for Hecate's sake!

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

I stand by my earlier statement that I don't care what kids have to say on the subject. I care what voting citizens have to say on the subject.

Many of these kids will be eligible to vote within the year, and they have made it abundantly clear that is exactly what they intend to do.

[Robovski]

Good for them. However reducing the age limit from 21 to 18 was also a mistake. We should have increase the service age or made no change at all.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

I admit it is really strange that the average age of marriage, age of employment, age of home-ownership, and all these other markers of what we consider "adulthood" have gone up so much, but the draft age hasn't changed a whit.
At the same time, I have to ask why you consider the 18-year-old voting age a bad thing.