1. No Batman shouldn't have gotten a perfect score. It was dumb then and it was dumb for Black Panther.
2. I don't read reviews to disagree or agree with them. I read them to try and make my mind about going to see a movie. I also don't go out of my way to read reviews, I read them were it's convenient. Every site I usually visit had a "review" that praised the movie for it's political importance and nothing else. It might be my fault for only visiting sites that are mostly progressive in nature and not spend my time on more "reputable" sites or right leaning sites but that's how it is. From those over 300 reviews that gave the movie a literal perfect score for it's first week I read more then my fair share and most were only positive because of the political importance of the movie and didn't even talk about anything else.
3. The cases I'm citing don't contradict your point? Your point was about user reviews while mine was about - what did you call them? ah, yes - "established reviewers". The sole reason I brought up the Cuphead debacle and the laughable Eurogamer review is because those were made by "established reviewers" working for site's that publish game reviews regularly and those weren't their first reviews.
What does the Cuphead review prove? alone nothing, but when we read the actual review and see that the video wasn't just a one off but actually informed your "established reviewers" opinion of the game as a whole, when we look back at your "established reviewers" rather long history of game reviews and notice that this wasn't the first time he gave a game a bad score because he's bad at video games and his experiences are not representative of the public that is likely to read his reviews it starts proving something - it proves that your "established reviewers" are established because they are entrenched in the industry and that their opinions shouldn't matter just because it's their job to write them out.
As for Kingdom come Deliverance, I take it you still haven't actually read the Eurogamer review from one of your "established reviewers" have you? The following is from that review:
"We know of African kings in Constantinople on pilgrimage to Spain; we know of black Moors in Spain; we know of extensive travel of Jews from the courts of Cordoba and Damascus; we also know of black people in large cities in Germany," the historian, Sean Miller, tells me. Czech cities Olomouc and Prague were on the famous Silk Road which facilitated the trade of goods all over the world. If you plot a line between them, it runs directly through the area recreated in Kingdom Come. "You just can't know nobody got sick and stayed a longer time," he says. "What if a group of black Africans came through and stayed at an inn and someone got pregnant? Even one night is enough for a pregnancy."
A literally baseless supposition presented as an argument from authority. And one preceded with both irrelevant information, the presence of African nobility in
other parts of Europe - at different times then the game's setting mind you - and factually wrong information, the presence of cities like Olomouc and Prague on the silk road. They weren't, the silk road didn't actually go that far inland. And then there's the facts bereft supposition at the end.
There's taking into account the politics of the lead game designer and then there's ad hominem attacks. Most if not all articles that waste time on Vavra do so in an attempt to smear him by association. He likes the music of who exactly? Most articles that try to prove how racist the lack of people of color is do so by pointing to other regions and other time periods in European history.
Your point was that user generated review bombs happen when the users disagree with something the creators said, mine was that that's only one case of when they happen. (though by now I believe we've reached the point were we might as well be yelling Men rape! and Not all men, why generalize?)
Your point was :
I hope you can see the false equivalence between comparing established reviewers giving their take on a piece of media (and being able to look at the history of each reviewer so you can understand their tastes), even if they're only doing it because it's their job, and angry netizens organizing downvoting brigades because they had some kind of personal issue of one of the artists who created it.
mine was that that entire line of thought is bullshit. Just because someone is established in a field doesn't mean they're good at what they do or that they should keep doing it. I sat out to dismantle that particular argument from the start.
That's why the Black Panther reviews were brought up in the first place. That's why I brought up the Cuphead debacle and the Eurogamer "what if" review. To show you that people on the opposite political spectrum do the exact same shit. That's why I brought up the fact that we're talking about products at the end of the day. A studio doesn't really care if a movie or game or whatnot is progressive or not, but they'll be damned if they won't use that as an excuse to attack criticism. Do you remember the "everybody that doesn't like the Ghostbuster 2016 is sexist" mantra your established reviewers and their other friends from the press had at the time? Do you remember how for some strange reason you were sexist if you didn't find the movie funny? do you remember how you had to be sexist if you had disliked the trailer? Now, do you remember what chuck said in his video? how everybody that disliked DAII has to be, sexist? or homophobic? Do you remember how your established reviewers jumped on the protect DAII bandwagon without a second thought? How they accused the people leaving negative reviews of being sexist and homophobic? what what was your reply to all that?
Even as someone who really didn't like DA2, I don't care for referencing Metacritic for any sort of useful data, especially reader reviews. It's pretty well-known that people with too much time on their hands (particularly unsavory portions of the Internet) love to organize downvoting brigades on sites like that, and this is especially magnified with games with any kind of controversial content. The hateboners especially show themselves with games coming from studios who have expressed certain left-leaning views like Bioware (left leaning in the modern day meaning "gay people exist").
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The only thing a bad user review score tells you is that the game stepped on some toes (and given how selective these discrepancies seem to happen, they also have to be the "right" toes- probably in more ways than one).
Your argument doesn't pass muster. User reviews aren't any worse then the ones from - come on now, say it with me - "established reviewers".
If Chuck or a mod reads this feel free do delete my account. I would do it myself but I don't seem to be able to find a delete account option. phpBB should have such an option but I guess this isn't stock phpBB.
