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cilantro wrote: Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:15 am How is it "well intentional"? If saving the universe was his motivation there were so many different ways that he could've "save the universe" other than killing off half of the population. He literally became God in the sense that he had all 6 stones. Plus, within a generation, two, or three people are just going to make his "killing" null when they produced enough people to reach our levels. Especially with our technology of automation taking over a lot of jobs. It's not going to stop the oil digging, etc...
Thanos believes, passionately, this is the only way which will work because of his backstory. That culling the universe at basic random of 1/2 its population is the only way to keep it from happening. Presumably, he'll either do it again or he thinks people will learn from it and stabilize.

We're not supposed to agree it's a good solution but acknowledge he's committed to it.

This Thanos is also notably a person who has a family he loves so that also wouldn't jive with murdering for Death.
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cilantro wrote: Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:15 am
How is it "well intentional"? If saving the universe was his motivation there were so many different ways that he could've "save the universe" other than killing off half of the population. He literally became God in the sense that he had all 6 stones.
You're going to have to let go of the comics because he didn't become a God in the MCU. As powerful as he was even with all the Stones...had Thor aimed for his head that would've been the end of Thanos. Had Thor made sure he couldn't clench his fist...or snap his fingers...then he would've prevented the annihilation of half the population. Also...if you look at the Gauntlet after Thanos used it's power to wipe out half the population...it's almost completely wrecked...suggesting that employing that kind of power exacted a cost...one Thanos might simply not be able to pay again with the Gauntlet so badly damged...meaning...he could do One major act with all the stones...so if he had one thing he could do...in his mind wiping out half-of all life was the best option.
Plus, within a generation, two, or three people are just going to make his "killing" null when they produced enough people to reach our levels. Especially with our technology of automation taking over a lot of jobs. It's not going to stop the oil digging, etc...
50% of the universes population just went away...what makes you think things are just going to bounce right back? Worse...if Thanos wants to...he can use conventional means (at this point) to ensure the population dosen't get out of control....and in all honesty various star governments might insititue population controls JUST because they don't want to the population to grow so large that Thanos might feel the need to do this again.
If you are saying that the MCU motivation is better than the comic book motivation, of course, people will criticize it. And it will hurt (in the long) the MCU and Marvel, IMO.
Also from Box Office Mojo: FRIDAY AM UPDATE: Disney and Marvel's Avengers: Infinity War delivered a massive $39 million from Thursday evening previews last night. The performance is the fourth largest Thursday night preview ever and the largest for any film in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, ahead of Captain America: Civil War ($25M), Black Panther ($25.2M) and Avengers: Age of Ultron ($27.6M).

And most of the reviews I am seeing are flat out praising the way Thanos was handled in film...so I am not seeing any long term damage being done to the franchise by this film....the opposite in all honesty.
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Reviewers can do whatever they want. Personally, I dislike downer endings. It didn't even give them even a sliver of a partial victory, just a "come back next year to see how the Avengers avenge everyone and/or how Captain Marvel flies in to save everyone."
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Honestly, THE LAST JEDI and ROGUE ONE have severely burned me on Star Wars.

I like happy heroism.
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SabreMau wrote: Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:47 am Reviewers can do whatever they want. Personally, I dislike downer endings. It didn't even give them even a sliver of a partial victory, just a "come back next year to see how the Avengers avenge everyone and/or how Captain Marvel flies in to save everyone."
Though this isn't really an ending, it's the halfway point of an overall story and we'll have to see who ends up actual dead and who is merely comic book dead.
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It's an ending until next May brings us Part 2, at least. Usually when stories give us the low point where the heroes suffer defeat and have to turn it around and rally for the final act, it's more towards the middle of the film, not the closing moments. And yes, I also disliked both Rogue One and Last Jedi for their dour almost-everyone-dies tones, but both those films managed to pull out some tangible hope heading out of the theater. The plans are successfully transmitted and on their way, or the remaining Resistance escapes the clutches of the First Order to survive and rebuild. Even Empire Strike Back, which ended on a much more somber note than the immediately preceding or following films, had the success of them escaping to safety after being on the run the whole movie. Here? Nothing. Thanos wins, he's unstoppably powerful, everyone else loses and can do nothing. Bleh.
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SabreMau wrote: Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:25 am It's an ending until next May brings us Part 2, at least. Usually when stories give us the low point where the heroes suffer defeat and have to turn it around and rally for the final act, it's more towards the middle of the film, not the closing moments. And yes, I also disliked both Rogue One and Last Jedi for their dour almost-everyone-dies tones, but both those films managed to pull out some tangible hope heading out of the theater. The plans are successfully transmitted and on their way, or the remaining Resistance escapes the clutches of the First Order to survive and rebuild. Even Empire Strike Back, which ended on a much more somber note than the immediately preceding or following films, had the success of them escaping to safety after being on the run the whole movie. Here? Nothing. Thanos wins, he's unstoppably powerful, everyone else loses and can do nothing. Bleh.
In all fairness you are given a glimmer of hope. Doctor Strange tells Tony that out of all the possibilities he saw...this was the only way they win...so dour as things are...Strange saw some kind of victory at the end of this path.
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SabreMau wrote: Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:25 am It's an ending until next May brings us Part 2, at least. Usually when stories give us the low point where the heroes suffer defeat and have to turn it around and rally for the final act, it's more towards the middle of the film, not the closing moments. And yes, I also disliked both Rogue One and Last Jedi for their dour almost-everyone-dies tones, but both those films managed to pull out some tangible hope heading out of the theater. The plans are successfully transmitted and on their way, or the remaining Resistance escapes the clutches of the First Order to survive and rebuild. Even Empire Strike Back, which ended on a much more somber note than the immediately preceding or following films, had the success of them escaping to safety after being on the run the whole movie. Here? Nothing. Thanos wins, he's unstoppably powerful, everyone else loses and can do nothing. Bleh.
Its pretty obvious that most of the characters killed in this film are going to come back, so this isn't really true. Whereas in those two films the dead will stay dead.

Probably Thanos will be convinced to resurrect them or something like that.
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Jonathan101 wrote: Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:11 pm
SabreMau wrote: Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:25 am It's an ending until next May brings us Part 2, at least. Usually when stories give us the low point where the heroes suffer defeat and have to turn it around and rally for the final act, it's more towards the middle of the film, not the closing moments. And yes, I also disliked both Rogue One and Last Jedi for their dour almost-everyone-dies tones, but both those films managed to pull out some tangible hope heading out of the theater. The plans are successfully transmitted and on their way, or the remaining Resistance escapes the clutches of the First Order to survive and rebuild. Even Empire Strike Back, which ended on a much more somber note than the immediately preceding or following films, had the success of them escaping to safety after being on the run the whole movie. Here? Nothing. Thanos wins, he's unstoppably powerful, everyone else loses and can do nothing. Bleh.
Its pretty obvious that most of the characters killed in this film are going to come back, so this isn't really true. Whereas in those two films the dead will stay dead.

Probably Thanos will be convinced to resurrect them or something like that.
This...I mean we KNOW there is another Spider-man film coming out after the Next Avengers flick...and they're not bothering to hide that so...yeah...Spider-man and friends will return.
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And there's also a Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 on the way. You could theoretically parse that as Stallone's crew plus Rocket, but realistic odds are that most if not all of them are coming back to life. If they follow the comics, it's just going to be Thanos getting lax and letting someone yank the Gauntlet off his hand. They'll probably alter that slightly, as they altered other things, but Nebula's still alive and Adam Warlock hasn't shown up on the stage yet.
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