Neo-Nazis in Financial Meltdown

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Re: Neo-Nazis in Financial Meltdown

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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:48 pm
Slash Gallagher wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:43 am
GloatingSwine wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:11 am
Slash Gallagher wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:39 am
GloatingSwine wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:36 pm
Slash Gallagher wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:23 pm
GloatingSwine wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:19 pm
Slash Gallagher wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:25 pm You don't think Latinx is more offensive than a theoretical slur?
Why would you think it is?
Comes out of US universities/press. Doubt the most poor people of that origin were consulted about it.
Why do you think that's a reason for it to be offensive? (Please be specific).
The hisotry oif US intervention into Latin American countries.
How does that affect the coinage of new English words to be used in discourse in English?
If you are on the left how shoudl it not?
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:11 am Because you're making this claim that trying to be progressive is some tightwire act in today's PC Culture, and I'm asserting that all you need to do is make a very small effort to be polite.
Hell no. People get trashed all time for the most minor things.
You make that claim, yet you are reluctant to make the most token of concessions.

Here's some source cited: https://mindfulmermaid.com/stopsayinggypsy/
Are they on your level of wokeness? if not why do you care what they are called or call themselves.
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Re: Neo-Nazis in Financial Meltdown

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Antiboyscout wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:41 pm
GloatingSwine wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:53 am
Slash Gallagher wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:43 am
GloatingSwine wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:11 am
Slash Gallagher wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:39 am
GloatingSwine wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:36 pm
Slash Gallagher wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:23 pm
GloatingSwine wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:19 pm
Slash Gallagher wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:25 pm You don't think Latinx is more offensive than a theoretical slur?
Why would you think it is?
Comes out of US universities/press. Doubt the most poor people of that origin were consulted about it.
Why do you think that's a reason for it to be offensive? (Please be specific).
The hisotry oif US intervention into Latin American countries.
How does that affect the coinage of new English words to be used in discourse in English?
If you are on the left how shoudl it not?
You are making the claim, I am merely making inquiries as to your reasoning.

Why is the history of US intervention in Latin American countries cogent to the coinage of new English words to be used in discourse in English?
Cultural Appropriation
If loan words and derivatives thereof are cultural appropriation now, I'm afraid we'll have to give up language as a bad idea and go back to grunts.

Do you, or Slash, have an argument that isn't a buzzword?

Like you can make the argument that Latinx is unnecessary because English already has a gender neutral term that everyone would contextually understand (Latin). But arguing that it is actively offensive would actually require more support than is being produced.
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GloatingSwine wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:27 pm If loan words and derivatives thereof are cultural appropriation now, I'm afraid we'll have to give up language as a bad idea and go back to grunts.

Do you, or Slash, have an argument that isn't a buzzword?

Like you can make the argument that Latinx is unnecessary because English already has a gender neutral term that everyone would contextually understand (Latin). But arguing that it is actively offensive would actually require more support than is being produced.
The Everyday Language of White Racism:
Link to excerpt beginning of chapter 6
https://books.google.com/books?id=RNL9Q ... hDoAQhWMAk
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Re: Neo-Nazis in Financial Meltdown

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Antiboyscout wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:56 pm
GloatingSwine wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:27 pm If loan words and derivatives thereof are cultural appropriation now, I'm afraid we'll have to give up language as a bad idea and go back to grunts.

Do you, or Slash, have an argument that isn't a buzzword?

Like you can make the argument that Latinx is unnecessary because English already has a gender neutral term that everyone would contextually understand (Latin). But arguing that it is actively offensive would actually require more support than is being produced.
The Everyday Language of White Racism:
Link to excerpt beginning of chapter 6
https://books.google.com/books?id=RNL9Q ... hDoAQhWMAk
And are you going to further demonstrate that this is, in fact, happening in the case of "Latinx".

(PS the word "Latin" is not Spanish or etymologically rooted in Spanish, it is itself a loan word in Spanish as well.)
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Re: Neo-Nazis in Financial Meltdown

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GloatingSwine wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:20 pm
Antiboyscout wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:56 pm
GloatingSwine wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:27 pm If loan words and derivatives thereof are cultural appropriation now, I'm afraid we'll have to give up language as a bad idea and go back to grunts.

Do you, or Slash, have an argument that isn't a buzzword?

Like you can make the argument that Latinx is unnecessary because English already has a gender neutral term that everyone would contextually understand (Latin). But arguing that it is actively offensive would actually require more support than is being produced.
The Everyday Language of White Racism:
Link to excerpt beginning of chapter 6
https://books.google.com/books?id=RNL9Q ... hDoAQhWMAk
And are you going to further demonstrate that this is, in fact, happening in the case of "Latinx".

(PS the word "Latin" is not Spanish or etymologically rooted in Spanish, it is itself a loan word in Spanish as well.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latino

"In English, the terms latino and latina are sometimes shortened forms of American Spanish "latinoamericano" and "latinoamericana" which are New World expansions of the Old World terms "latino" and "latina" which are ultimately from the Latin terms latīnus and latīna meaning Latin."

Criticism:

"The use of the term Latino, despite its increasing popularity, is still highly debated among those who are called by the name.[31][32] Since the adoption of the term by the U.S. Census Bureau[33] and its subsequent widespread use, there have been several controversies and disagreements, especially in the United States and, to a lesser extent, in Mexico and other Spanish-speaking countries. Since it is an arbitrary generic term, many Latin American scholars, journalists, and indigenous rights organisations have objected to the mass media use of the word "Latino", pointing out that such ethnonyms are optional and should be used only to describe people involved in the practices, ideologies, and identity politics of their supporters.[34][35][36][37] Journalist Rodolfo Acuña writes"

" When and why the Latino identity came about is a more involved story. Essentially, politicians, the media, and marketers find it convenient to deal with the different U.S. Spanish-speaking people under one umbrella. However, many people with Spanish surnames contest the term Latino. They claim it is misleading because no Latino or Hispanic nationality exists since no Latino state exists, so generalizing the term Latino slights the various national identities included under the umbrella.[38]"
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Re: Neo-Nazis in Financial Meltdown

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Slash Gallagher wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:53 pm
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:48 pm
Slash Gallagher wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:43 am
GloatingSwine wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:11 am
Slash Gallagher wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:39 am
GloatingSwine wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:36 pm
Slash Gallagher wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:23 pm
GloatingSwine wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:19 pm
Slash Gallagher wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:25 pm You don't think Latinx is more offensive than a theoretical slur?
Why would you think it is?
Comes out of US universities/press. Doubt the most poor people of that origin were consulted about it.
Why do you think that's a reason for it to be offensive? (Please be specific).
The hisotry oif US intervention into Latin American countries.
How does that affect the coinage of new English words to be used in discourse in English?
If you are on the left how shoudl it not?
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:11 am Because you're making this claim that trying to be progressive is some tightwire act in today's PC Culture, and I'm asserting that all you need to do is make a very small effort to be polite.
Hell no. People get trashed all time for the most minor things.
You make that claim, yet you are reluctant to make the most token of concessions.

Here's some source cited: https://mindfulmermaid.com/stopsayinggypsy/
Are they on your level of wokeness? if not why do you care what they are called or call themselves.
A few romani people have told me it's offensive, although some don't find it so.
What exactly do you use by not using this one word to describe a certain minority? Why are you so determined to find a reason not to do it?

In short, you keep claiming that the bar for political correctness is unattainably high. From my perspective, it looks like the bar is set at ankle height and you are digging a trench to go under it.
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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:40 pm
Slash Gallagher wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:53 pm
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:48 pm
Slash Gallagher wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:43 am
GloatingSwine wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:11 am
Slash Gallagher wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:39 am
GloatingSwine wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:36 pm
Slash Gallagher wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:23 pm
GloatingSwine wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:19 pm
Slash Gallagher wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:25 pm You don't think Latinx is more offensive than a theoretical slur?
Why would you think it is?
Comes out of US universities/press. Doubt the most poor people of that origin were consulted about it.
Why do you think that's a reason for it to be offensive? (Please be specific).
The hisotry oif US intervention into Latin American countries.
How does that affect the coinage of new English words to be used in discourse in English?
If you are on the left how shoudl it not?
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:11 am Because you're making this claim that trying to be progressive is some tightwire act in today's PC Culture, and I'm asserting that all you need to do is make a very small effort to be polite.
Hell no. People get trashed all time for the most minor things.
You make that claim, yet you are reluctant to make the most token of concessions.

Here's some source cited: https://mindfulmermaid.com/stopsayinggypsy/
Are they on your level of wokeness? if not why do you care what they are called or call themselves.
A few romani people have told me it's offensive, although some don't find it so.
What exactly do you use by not using this one word to describe a certain minority? Why are you so determined to find a reason not to do it?

In short, you keep claiming that the bar for political correctness is unattainably high. From my perspective, it looks like the bar is set at ankle height and you are digging a trench to go under it.
The policing of speech, and there by, losing Freedom of Speech seems like a price too high.

An offended minority of a minority should not dictate how I live my life or what I can and cannot say.
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Re: Neo-Nazis in Financial Meltdown

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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:40 pm
Slash Gallagher wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:53 pm
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:48 pm
Slash Gallagher wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:43 am
GloatingSwine wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:11 am
Slash Gallagher wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:39 am
GloatingSwine wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:36 pm
Slash Gallagher wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:23 pm
GloatingSwine wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:19 pm
Slash Gallagher wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:25 pm You don't think Latinx is more offensive than a theoretical slur?
Why would you think it is?
Comes out of US universities/press. Doubt the most poor people of that origin were consulted about it.
Why do you think that's a reason for it to be offensive? (Please be specific).
The hisotry oif US intervention into Latin American countries.
How does that affect the coinage of new English words to be used in discourse in English?
If you are on the left how shoudl it not?
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:11 am Because you're making this claim that trying to be progressive is some tightwire act in today's PC Culture, and I'm asserting that all you need to do is make a very small effort to be polite.
Hell no. People get trashed all time for the most minor things.
You make that claim, yet you are reluctant to make the most token of concessions.

Here's some source cited: https://mindfulmermaid.com/stopsayinggypsy/
Are they on your level of wokeness? if not why do you care what they are called or call themselves.
A few romani people have told me it's offensive, although some don't find it so.
What exactly do you use by not using this one word to describe a certain minority? Why are you so determined to find a reason not to do it?

In short, you keep claiming that the bar for political correctness is unattainably high. From my perspective, it looks like the bar is set at ankle height and you are digging a trench to go under it.
If it looks that low for you maybe you should try out North Korea.
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Slash Gallagher wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 7:42 am
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:40 pm
Slash Gallagher wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:53 pm
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:48 pm
Slash Gallagher wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:43 am
GloatingSwine wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:11 am
Slash Gallagher wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:39 am
GloatingSwine wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:36 pm
Slash Gallagher wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:23 pm
GloatingSwine wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:19 pm
Slash Gallagher wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:25 pm You don't think Latinx is more offensive than a theoretical slur?
Why would you think it is?
Comes out of US universities/press. Doubt the most poor people of that origin were consulted about it.
Why do you think that's a reason for it to be offensive? (Please be specific).
The hisotry oif US intervention into Latin American countries.
How does that affect the coinage of new English words to be used in discourse in English?
If you are on the left how shoudl it not?
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:11 am Because you're making this claim that trying to be progressive is some tightwire act in today's PC Culture, and I'm asserting that all you need to do is make a very small effort to be polite.
Hell no. People get trashed all time for the most minor things.
You make that claim, yet you are reluctant to make the most token of concessions.

Here's some source cited: https://mindfulmermaid.com/stopsayinggypsy/
Are they on your level of wokeness? if not why do you care what they are called or call themselves.
A few romani people have told me it's offensive, although some don't find it so.
What exactly do you use by not using this one word to describe a certain minority? Why are you so determined to find a reason not to do it?

In short, you keep claiming that the bar for political correctness is unattainably high. From my perspective, it looks like the bar is set at ankle height and you are digging a trench to go under it.
If it looks that low for you maybe you should try out North Korea.
Would you care to elaborate what you mean by that cryptic sentence?
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Re: Neo-Nazis in Financial Meltdown

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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 8:31 pm
Slash Gallagher wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 7:42 am
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:40 pm
Slash Gallagher wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:53 pm
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:48 pm
Slash Gallagher wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:43 am
GloatingSwine wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:11 am
Slash Gallagher wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:39 am
GloatingSwine wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:36 pm
Slash Gallagher wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:23 pm
GloatingSwine wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:19 pm
Slash Gallagher wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:25 pm You don't think Latinx is more offensive than a theoretical slur?
Why would you think it is?
Comes out of US universities/press. Doubt the most poor people of that origin were consulted about it.
Why do you think that's a reason for it to be offensive? (Please be specific).
The hisotry oif US intervention into Latin American countries.
How does that affect the coinage of new English words to be used in discourse in English?
If you are on the left how shoudl it not?
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:11 am Because you're making this claim that trying to be progressive is some tightwire act in today's PC Culture, and I'm asserting that all you need to do is make a very small effort to be polite.
Hell no. People get trashed all time for the most minor things.
You make that claim, yet you are reluctant to make the most token of concessions.

Here's some source cited: https://mindfulmermaid.com/stopsayinggypsy/
Are they on your level of wokeness? if not why do you care what they are called or call themselves.
A few romani people have told me it's offensive, although some don't find it so.
What exactly do you use by not using this one word to describe a certain minority? Why are you so determined to find a reason not to do it?

In short, you keep claiming that the bar for political correctness is unattainably high. From my perspective, it looks like the bar is set at ankle height and you are digging a trench to go under it.
If it looks that low for you maybe you should try out North Korea.
Would you care to elaborate what you mean by that cryptic sentence?
You said ankle height.
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