PapaPalpatine wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 4:29 am
Spoilers for those of you who somehow haven't seen the Ghost Starscream episodes:
I find it amusing that Starscream later manages to trick Unicron--the being Cybertronians consider their equivalent of the Devil--into giving him a new body and then, true to form, double crosses him. One of Ol' Screamer's rare moments of awesome.
In the G1 Cartoon, Unicron isn't the robot devil, he's a space monkey's escaped science project.
And the Matrix is the space monkey's computer.
...beg pardon?
In the G1 Cartoon continuity, Unicron isn't the chaos bringer, or the counterpart to Primus, or an embodiment of evil.
He's built by a space monkey. THIS space monkey. He's his escaped lab project. The Matrix is said space monkey's assistant/personal computer, who also fucked off for its own reason.
I had completely forgotten that this was a two parter. I know I saw the second part back when it aired because I remember how this all ends, but I have no memory of all this back and forth. Except perhaps the scene in the Decepticon Mausoleum I do not recognize anything. Maybe I only ever saw the second part back in the day?
Just as likely I just don't remember these eps at all well 30 years on. Regarding the space monkey mentioned in this thread, I sort of remember the vague outline of the space monkey/call of primitives episode but not that he created Unicron or the Matrix...
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Allan Olley
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PapaPalpatine wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 4:29 am
Spoilers for those of you who somehow haven't seen the Ghost Starscream episodes:
I find it amusing that Starscream later manages to trick Unicron--the being Cybertronians consider their equivalent of the Devil--into giving him a new body and then, true to form, double crosses him. One of Ol' Screamer's rare moments of awesome.
In the G1 Cartoon, Unicron isn't the robot devil, he's a space monkey's escaped science project.
And the Matrix is the space monkey's computer.
...beg pardon?
In the G1 Cartoon continuity, Unicron isn't the chaos bringer, or the counterpart to Primus, or an embodiment of evil.
He's built by a space monkey. THIS space monkey. He's his escaped lab project. The Matrix is said space monkey's assistant/personal computer, who also fucked off for its own reason.
That would be G1-animated continuity. Unicorn being the counterpart to Primus, a fallen god, is something that Simon Furman introduced into the G1 continuity around 1989, back when Hasbro didn't really care about the brand any further and he was free to write stories without their interference. I'm not sure if this is true but in an interview they tested Hasbro by sending a false draft of a ongoing story arc where the autobots and deceptions were turned into robot sheep and got no reply.
Since then, Unicron has been the Transformers equivalent of The devil. Dream wave, back when they published Transformers comics, once used the term; Unicrons Advocate.
As for the space monkey, yes that happened in an episode called "Call of the Primitives". It had spectacular animation, I mean really outstanding, bordering movie level stuff. But the plot was so many different kinds of stupid. And I'm calling the matrix being the scientists computer an animation error that was too expensive to ask them to fix. The episode must have cost quadruple what Akom typically charged.
I first saw "Call of the Primitives" and "Forever is a Long Time Coming" back when they first came out, when I was in second grade.
I really hated those episodes, because I loathe the idea of "threat of the week could destroy the universe" (in the latter episode, leaving the time window open too long would destroy everything). I also hate "The Alternative Factor" in Star Trek: The Original Series for much the same reason (and for that matter, a lot of Doctor Who).
Stakes really need to be proportional to the importance of an episode/arc. If the stakes are too high for a small story, it lessens the impact of the big stories.
"You say I'm a dreamer/we're two of a kind/looking for some perfect world/we know we'll never find" - Thompson Twins
This might explain why Megatron put up with Starscream's treachery for so long. If he (somehow) knew that killing Starscream would only inconvenience him, the smart thing to do might have been to just keep him close and try to keep him in-line as long as possible. Galvatron shoots Starscream because Galvatron is nuttier than Mr. Peanut.
MyUserName wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 12:36 am
As for the space monkey, yes that happened in an episode called "Call of the Primitives". It had spectacular animation, I mean really outstanding, bordering movie level stuff. But the plot was so many different kinds of stupid. And I'm calling the matrix being the scientists computer an animation error that was too expensive to ask them to fix. The episode must have cost quadruple what Akom typically charged.
YMMV on that end. The animation is good in parts, in other parts, well how TFWiki used to refer to it as some sort of Quantum state where the animation is both awful and good at the same time. "Schrödinger's Cel: Simultaneously well-drawn and poorly-drawn."Like the shot of Predaking, who's detailed and shiny as never before... but his proportion are crap.
MyUserName wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 12:36 am
As for the space monkey, yes that happened in an episode called "Call of the Primitives". It had spectacular animation, I mean really outstanding, bordering movie level stuff. But the plot was so many different kinds of stupid. And I'm calling the matrix being the scientists computer an animation error that was too expensive to ask them to fix. The episode must have cost quadruple what Akom typically charged.
YMMV on that end. The animation is good in parts, in other parts, well how TFWiki used to refer to it as some sort of Quantum state where the animation is both awful and good at the same time. "Schrödinger's Cel: Simultaneously well-drawn and poorly-drawn."Like the shot of Predaking, who's detailed and shiny as never before... but his proportion are crap.
I loved predakings look in that shot. Rather than the bulky and cumbersome troglodyte of matching colors but weirdly disproportionate decals of your typical combiner, he looked lean, sleek, and cool. One thing I appreciated about Dreamwave's art is that all the combiners looked far more like a whole being rather than five or six separate machines standing on top of each other that can happen when artists try to make the animation/art style too on point to the toyline rather than streamlining a design to fit their style.
