MyUserName wrote: ↑Sat Jun 02, 2018 3:08 am
Last Jedi and Solo both came with controversy with both films having sexual identity politics attached for no other reason than for it to be there.
On that point, my mouth was left gaping that this was one actually done by someone, and two also made it as news. I was wanting to discuss it on my facebook, but felt it best not to risk setting off a proverbial grenade.
I'm frankly dismayed something like this has been made into a thing, especially with Star Wars. Not only that, the metric was measured in a way to specifically be incendiary, and make it appear lower than in reality to what the overall raw screen times were. Not that I think we should be measuring such things anyway IMHO.
I agree with your later point, let Star Wars be frigging Star Wars. Part of the reason it made such a huge universal impact back in 77 was because it wasn't about races, genders, nationalities or any of that.
MyUserName wrote: ↑Sat Jun 02, 2018 3:08 am
The fans I know aren't burnt out on Star Wars, they are burned out on the toxic attitudes of the people currently behind the franchise. The first book written in Disney's new canon that continued after Return of the Jedi was written by foul mouthed Chuck Wendig, who has admitted on multiple occasions to having no love for the fandom, and he essentially ended the fight against the empire at the end of his books, with the empire self destructing after a year almost as a middle finger to those who wanted the story of the main cast to continue afterwards. Last Jedi and Solo both came with controversy with both films having sexual identity politics attached for no other reason than for it to be there. JJ Abrams and Freddie Prinze Jr have had nasty words for TLJ critics, and Lucasfilm head Kathleen Kennedy is more concerned about keeping her writers group 75% women then she is in working with her directors in ensuring things go smoothly, as both solo and rogue 1 required extensive reshoots.
Remember when Star Wars was simply there to entertain with its themes of heroism in its characters and strong action sequences? This, and to see Luke, Han, and Leila in action again, even if it is CGI, is what many wanted when new films were announced. How is this so hard to deliver?
At first i was stunned that they could fuck it up.
MyUserName wrote: ↑Sat Jun 02, 2018 3:08 am
Last Jedi and Solo both came with controversy with both films having sexual identity politics attached for no other reason than for it to be there.
On that point, my mouth was left gaping that this was one actually done by someone, and two also made it as news. I was wanting to discuss it on my facebook, but felt it best not to risk setting off a proverbial grenade.
I'm frankly dismayed something like this has been made into a thing, especially with Star Wars. Not only that, the metric was measured in a way to specifically be incendiary, and make it appear lower than in reality to what the overall raw screen times were. Not that I think we should be measuring such things anyway IMHO.
I agree with your later point, let Star Wars be frigging Star Wars. Part of the reason it made such a huge universal impact back in 77 was because it wasn't about races, genders, nationalities or any of that.
The history of speciism was fascinating in the EU.
I won't go into what I think is wrong with the current batch of SW films; that's been covered by people more eloquent than I. I just wanted to offer an alternative to the time-travel-redo (not that I personally dislike that idea; I just think they're unlikely to do it).
They could set episode X a couple hundred years into the future of episode IX. SW technology doesn't seem to advance that quickly, and their history seems to be a bit cyclical anyway (*cough*), so the setting doesn't have to change very much.
You can't have the SW trinity (except maybe Luke as a force ghost), but... I don't think Harrison Ford wants to be in another SW movie anyway. Carrie Fisher can't be, alas. Mark Hamill has said that without the other two, he doesn't really care if he's in another SW movie or not.
That way people who prefer the Rey, Ren, and the Snoke monster can keep it, and people who prefer Mara, Thrawn, and Luuke can have their version with an official shrug of the powers that be. Fewer toes stepped on that retconning away the Disney films, and, for fans of the currently non-canon "legends," some toes restored to their unstepped-on status.
Do that, put in some new show-runners, and I'll give the movies a try again.
Or they could have a pre-prequel prequel. One little toaster with dreams of being an astromech droid, and the courage to reach for that dream. I'd watch that, too.
GandALF wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:56 am
If they were going to retcon out divisive films they would have done it to the prequels. They cannot please everyone, it makes no sense for them to try.
And again, Disney has not "erased" anything, they are re-releasing the comic adaption of the Thrawn trilogy in October, they've still got Zahn writing for them and the last few episodes of Rebels basically implied that the legends stuff still "exists" somewhere.
Something which is conveniently overlooked by Winter, also given that Leia being pregnant with twins is a major plotpoint of the Thrawn Trilogy and Carrie Fisher is dead, how exactly are Disney supposed to get around that?
Winter wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:17 am
If anyone but George Lucas was in charge of Lucas film that might have happened, but remember the Prequels were financially successful and while mixed weren't that badly received at the time. Regards of how Solo was been received the fact remains that it is, at this time, under preforming and if that happens with Episode 9 which is not as unlikely as it may seem anymore Disney reboot the series could happen.
I'd say the prequels are more mixed now because people have grown to accept them and those that grew up them are more vocal now.
The whole "Star Wars is ruined forever" shtick happens like clockwork, it happened when the Clone Wars series started, it happened with the prequels, it happened with Chewie's death and NJO series, it happened with the special editions, it even happened with the Ewoks and such in Return of the Jedi and if you listen to the commentary for ESB Ben Burtt talks about how that film was initially disliked because it was darker and wasn't considered the best until much later.
Now we've had 4 films in less than 4 years, and I'm really not all that fussed about going to see Solo. The decisions & direction Last Jedi went is a factor for sure, but more than that, we're having a film now that didn't need to be made. It's being done just for the sake of it, almost for the novelty factor. Not really helped either with the embedded messages, and more "real world" dialogue and beats used. (Such as the mobile phone or the "your mom" jokes.)
Ok I've seen Solo and their are no "your mom" jokes in the film or mobile phones.
What is so bad about Solo? It's a breath of fresh air as it does not seem to be trying to retread the same ground as the OT. I am the one to complain about a studio trying to squeeze one more block buster out of a franchise that has run its course, Alien Resurrection, Terminator 3 and Transformers The Last Knight, are examples of what i mean.
Star Wars can easily avoid this problem because you have an entire galaxy to play with and over a thousand generations of history to explore. You could make a movie that has literally nothing to do with the original trilogy or the prequels and still be set in the same universe.
Another thing you could do, if you wanted to start over. Instead of trying to retcon the universe, again you could just drop everything and head off in a completely new direction. What if you made a movie that was a distant prequel; set in the same universe but so far back that it has nothing to do with the movies. You could do almost anything with it and the story could go anyway you want.
Now we've had 4 films in less than 4 years, and I'm really not all that fussed about going to see Solo. The decisions & direction Last Jedi went is a factor for sure, but more than that, we're having a film now that didn't need to be made. It's being done just for the sake of it, almost for the novelty factor. Not really helped either with the embedded messages, and more "real world" dialogue and beats used. (Such as the mobile phone or the "your mom" jokes.)
Ok I've seen Solo and their are no "your mom" jokes in the film or mobile phones.
Didn't say they were, unfortunately they were certainly present in TLJ.
Winter wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:17 am
If anyone but George Lucas was in charge of Lucas film that might have happened, but remember the Prequels were financially successful and while mixed weren't that badly received at the time. Regards of how Solo was been received the fact remains that it is, at this time, under preforming and if that happens with Episode 9 which is not as unlikely as it may seem anymore Disney reboot the series could happen.
I'd say the prequels are more mixed now because people have grown to accept them and those that grew up them are more vocal now.
The whole "Star Wars is ruined forever" shtick happens like clockwork, it happened when the Clone Wars series started, it happened with the prequels, it happened with Chewie's death and NJO series, it happened with the special editions, it even happened with the Ewoks and such in Return of the Jedi and if you listen to the commentary for ESB Ben Burtt talks about how that film was initially disliked because it was darker and wasn't considered the best until much later.
No product ever tried to destroy basic SW concepts like Star Wars The Last Jedi did.
Now we've had 4 films in less than 4 years, and I'm really not all that fussed about going to see Solo. The decisions & direction Last Jedi went is a factor for sure, but more than that, we're having a film now that didn't need to be made. It's being done just for the sake of it, almost for the novelty factor. Not really helped either with the embedded messages, and more "real world" dialogue and beats used. (Such as the mobile phone or the "your mom" jokes.)
Ok I've seen Solo and their are no "your mom" jokes in the film or mobile phones.
Didn't say they were, unfortunately they were certainly present in TLJ.
you could just drop everything and head off in a completely new direction. What if you made a movie that was a distant prequel; set in the same universe but so far back that it has nothing to do with the movies. You could do almost anything with it and the story could go anyway you want.