Star Wars and the Comic Retcon

[unknownsample]

Last Jedi and Solo both came with controversy with both films having sexual identity politics attached for no other reason than for it to be there.

On that point, my mouth was left gaping that this was one actually done by someone, and two also made it as news. I was wanting to discuss it on my facebook, but felt it best not to risk setting off a proverbial grenade.

I'm frankly dismayed something like this has been made into a thing, especially with Star Wars. Not only that, the metric was measured in a way to specifically be incendiary, and make it appear lower than in reality to what the overall raw screen times were. Not that I think we should be measuring such things anyway IMHO.

I agree with your later point, let Star Wars be frigging Star Wars. Part of the reason it made such a huge universal impact back in 77 was because it wasn't about races, genders, nationalities or any of that.

Women know your place.

[Winter]

Last Jedi and Solo both came with controversy with both films having sexual identity politics attached for no other reason than for it to be there.

On that point, my mouth was left gaping that this was one actually done by someone, and two also made it as news. I was wanting to discuss it on my facebook, but felt it best not to risk setting off a proverbial grenade.

I'm frankly dismayed something like this has been made into a thing, especially with Star Wars. Not only that, the metric was measured in a way to specifically be incendiary, and make it appear lower than in reality to what the overall raw screen times were. Not that I think we should be measuring such things anyway IMHO.

I agree with your later point, let Star Wars be frigging Star Wars. Part of the reason it made such a huge universal impact back in 77 was because it wasn't about races, genders, nationalities or any of that.

Women know your place.

I just want to talk about Star Wars having it's own Crisis on Infinite Earths with the fact that time travel is now 100% canon, what the happened here!?

[Karha of Honor]

Last Jedi and Solo both came with controversy with both films having sexual identity politics attached for no other reason than for it to be there.

On that point, my mouth was left gaping that this was one actually done by someone, and two also made it as news. I was wanting to discuss it on my facebook, but felt it best not to risk setting off a proverbial grenade.

I'm frankly dismayed something like this has been made into a thing, especially with Star Wars. Not only that, the metric was measured in a way to specifically be incendiary, and make it appear lower than in reality to what the overall raw screen times were. Not that I think we should be measuring such things anyway IMHO.

I agree with your later point, let Star Wars be frigging Star Wars. Part of the reason it made such a huge universal impact back in 77 was because it wasn't about races, genders, nationalities or any of that.

Women know your place.

More like politics know your place.

[Winter]

What have I unleashed?

[GandALF]

[Fixer]

Okay, if you kids can't play nice together I'm gonna have to separate you. I'm looking at you especially UnknownSample. Consider this a friendly warning.

I just want to talk about Star Wars having it's own Crisis on Infinite Earths with the fact that time travel is now 100% canon, what the happened here!?

Getting back on track. With Sci-Fi writing one of the principles of introducing technology or new applications for existing devices is to understand the consequences to future stories if this is readily available.

Time travel is perhaps one of the most powerful tools you can add to a fictional universe. This is why you need to stack some serious rules or limitations onto it, to prevent audiences immediately going "why didn't they just do this thing and solve all problems immediately?" Usually by making it unreliable, dangerous or have some massive associated cost.

I think the best example of easy time travel needing to be removed from a universe is Harry Potter.
They decided to get rid of all the time turners because if they didn't it would take 5 seconds to prove Voldemort had come back by revisiting a crime scene.

You also have another problem with time travel. The way it was introduced into Rebels raised the question of a pre-destination style time travel universe, where before prophecy and free will made the future something constantly in motion. It raises a lot of questions.

Ahsoka Tano was a fan favourite, they used time-travel to save her which I'm pretty sure a large amount of the the fandom was grateful for. However, having time travel restricted to an almost impossible to access dimension which has now been closed off is a good place to keep it.

If they were to do a universe rewrite I'd much prefer they stick to that trope known as Canon Discontinuity.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... continuity

[Winter]

Thank you. The reason I suggested the Cosmic Retcon was that I figured it would be a good way to compromise with the fans of the newer films. There is, of course, no way to please everyone and trying to do so only results in disappointing everyone. However, the newer films have their fans, many of whom have shown up here and have been very polite so I thought, as more of a thought experiment, was what it the heroes of the more resent films went back and rewrote the past that resulted in the time line getting split into two.

The first being the Legends time line and the second being the Disney Era and given that Rebels started this whole thing I think it would make sense that what changed would be one of the characters going back to a little bit before the events of Rebels finally that resulted in Thrawn getting sent away to the Uncharted Regions. This results in Thrawn not being defeated by the Rebels which results in a series of events that changes the SW universe as a whole.

Things like Kyle Katarn being the one who secured the plans for the Death Star instead of the Rouge One Crew that is the result of the Ghost Crew still being intact because without Thrawn they are all still alive. As a result of Thrawn not being present in this time line. And because of Thrawn was in the Uncharted Regions he returns and thus a series of minor events that did not occur happen her which results in things like the Thrawn Trilogy.

Again this is all just a thought experiment and just meant for fun, I honestly don't think Disney would ever let this happen. I've mentioned that it does depend on how well Episode 9 does but even then at most the film series might just end and Disney will just focus on merchandising and TV series and even if they decide to reboot the films it will most likely be the result of a Canon Discontinuity with the film makers just ignoring the events of most of the Disney Era.

Again this is just meant as a fun debate given what Rebels has added to the lore of Star Wars, which I actually like. I didn't mean for this to turn into what it did and I has anyone mentioned that Saru is a cow?

[Fixer]

You could consider all of the original EU/legends an alternate universe now really.

Dark Horse comics actually ran some Elseworlds style stories a while back called Star Wars Infinities. Most famous of all was the one where Vader survived after his redemption, leading to his White suit.

I don't think they'd ever consider doing this with the movie canon though.

[Winter]

You could consider all of the original EU/legends an alternate universe now really.

Dark Horse comics actually ran some Elseworlds style stories a while back called Star Wars Infinities. Most famous of all was the one where Vader survived after his redemption, leading to his White suit.

I don't think they'd ever consider doing this with the movie canon though.

I do remember reading SWI, they were interesting ideas but honestly I had a lot of issues with them like Luke Surviving just long enough to tell Han to go to Dagobah system also I thought that Vader's all white costume looked a bit silly, even for Star Wars. But I found the ideas interesting enough as presented and were at least fun to see how things might have gone with the smallest bit of changes.

I agree that it is very unlikely that Disney would consider doing this with the films though I do wish they would make the Legends Universe a stated AU. I think Rebels said something along those lines but it's been a while since I saw Rebels and if I'm remembering correctly that was more hinted at then anything officially said by either the characters or the show runners.

But as I said before, this is really meant as more of a thought experiment, kinda like my Reboot of Mass Effect 3. Will it ever happen, unlikely but that doesn't mean we can't talk about the idea and see were we end up.

[GandALF]

I agree that it is very unlikely that Disney would consider doing this with the films though I do wish they would make the Legends Universe a stated AU. I think Rebels said something along those lines but it's been a while since I saw Rebels and if I'm remembering correctly that was more hinted at then anything officially said by either the characters or the show runners.

You don't need official acknowledgement, there's constant talk about the future being in motion, there being many possible futures, visions of the future that aren't set in stone etc. Just interpret that however you wish. Clunky exposition definitively stating X or Y would not fit a franchise built on "show don't tell"