Admiral X wrote: ↑Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:20 am
When someone is made a slave, are they not objectified? When T'Pol finally fought back, was it before or after the bomb on her neck was disabled? If after, does it not make sense that she, as a logical person, recognized that resisting the manhandling, as degrading as it might be to her, might not simply result in her death?
And if the scene with her kicking the Orion slaver wouldn't have shown her angry - as it has already been pointed out - you'd have a point. But when we see her remain not just calm but positively apathetic during her captivity only to show anger when calm would have been most useful... Princess Leia at least had emotions before she strangled Jaba.
No, she seemed concerned when reassuring the young crew member who had just joined up and was about to be auctioned. I'd argue she was keeping a cool head in front of her panicky crew member until she was released.
And if you want a logical reason for the kick and line, it granted her freedom from being restrained again, it disabled a guard(thereby increasing her and everyone else's chances of escape), and gave him a psychological reason to not treat women as property, as well as venting any frustration and other negative emotions she had to a useful purpose.
Pretty much all human civilizations that have had slavery have had slave revolts, I highly doubt " and gave him a psychological reason to not treat women as property" would have worked on him, if anything it would have made him more violent on the next few slaves that came his way. Killing him might have been more helpful.
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AlucardNoir wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:41 am
Pretty much all human civilizations that have had slavery have had slave revolts, I highly doubt " and gave him a psychological reason to not treat women as property" would have worked on him, if anything it would have made him more violent on the next few slaves that came his way. Killing him might have been more helpful.
Nitpicker.
Okay, fine, it disabled a guard and increased her chances as well as the chances of the other slaves around her. Also, I'm not sure if audiences were ready for T'pol neck-snapping a Wrestler on TV just yet.
''as well as venting any frustration and other negative emotions she had to a useful purpose.''
And as i explained further back on Borderland, that is why she is either a crap Vulcan or a sexist character. You would NEVER have seen Spock, Tuvok, Sarek or any other male Vulcan act this way.
AlucardNoir wrote: ↑Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:54 pm
Now that this trilogy of episodes is over, what I'd like to say about it is:
1. It wasn't season 1, 2 or 3 that gave us T'Pol being treated like literal property, it was the "good" season.
2. I agree with SFdebirs, this would have made far, FAR batter start then Time Traveling Space NAZI's
3. I grew up with reruns of Quantum Leap... how do you get worse as an actor... how?
4. Soong is.... too much? too good? far too good? I dunno, Brent Spiner gives a bit too good of a performance for this show.
5. The android part at the end... is a nice nod to continuity... but I have to agree once more with our gracious host, it makes no sense. Then again, this is Enterprise, time traveling space nazi's are a staple of the show, while space nazi's are a staple of the series as a whole.
All in all, a good start, but I really can't agree with most people that praise this little trilogy of episodes. They're good, but not praiseworthy.
I can't say for certain if I've ever watched all of Enterprise even to this day, I left it back during its on-air days because I found it to be rather boring by contrast to other Star Treks. It seemed to lack direction to me, or internal growth for its characters. Ironically that's both hard and easy to do when you've got a set up of characters essentially at "level 1" but you've written yourself into a corner by necessitating this be a prequel with no foresight into why, or what would make it worth doing.
I can see why this trilogy is, and to me and I think to Mr. SF Debris "Good" for Enterprise is praise worthy in and of itself.
100% with you the Android part at the end for "continuity" except as you say where it makes no sense. Initially only half paying attention to Enterprise later on in life, I actually thought they were attempting to say this was Data's "father"; but then I thought the timing doesn't work. As much as I enjoy Mr. Spiner as an actor, I honestly think it's to the episodes detriment that he had to be squeezed in there as I've heard through some Star Trek podcasts it was intended originally to be a TOS one-shot historic earth military villain who wanted to make the ultimate life form I guess; pardon me for not knowing the precise details.
The whole flavor of Nazi's thing in media gives me a headache because my eyes roll back into my head. The vast number of "Nazi's win world war 2" alternate history thing is just so overdone in almost every form of media with at least one whole show on Amazon Prime dedicated to it.
clearspira wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:50 pm
''as well as venting any frustration and other negative emotions she had to a useful purpose.''
And as i explained further back on Borderland, that is why she is either a crap Vulcan or a sexist character. You would NEVER have seen Spock, Tuvok, Sarek or any other male Vulcan act this way.
I would disagree. We've seen Spock, Tuvok, and Sarek all lose their tempers. Like it or not, T'pol, like Archer, gets her more disruptive parts of her character fixed in the Forge trilogy, as T'pol gets her illness fixed, and Archer gets a much needed dose of sanity from the katra of Surak.
clearspira wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:50 pm
''as well as venting any frustration and other negative emotions she had to a useful purpose.''
And as i explained further back on Borderland, that is why she is either a crap Vulcan or a sexist character. You would NEVER have seen Spock, Tuvok, Sarek or any other male Vulcan act this way.
When did anyone ever claim that Enterprise wrote Vulcans well?
Admiral X wrote: ↑Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:26 am
I also can't help but think of how nu-Spock was written for Abrams Trek and how he lost his shit more than once in just the first movie.
It seems to be a pattern in how the characters in the first two JJ Trek films are written: the exceptional moments became the norm.
Nitpicker.
