Drone (VOY)

[Zoinksberg]

In another thread I speculated that by the 24th century they had done away with our primitive 21st century notions of medical confidentiality. The turning on Torres camera without warning could be another example of this. So it seems like it is specifically privacy he might be the most divergent views from most current views...

Except in Imperfection (the next review, so watching it right now) Seven mentions that they still observe Doctor/Patient confidentiality to prevent the Doctor from informing Janeway about her health problems when he first learns of them.

[chaos42]

you would think that as a ship that there are regulations like the one where kim had sex with that alien that make the doctor inform the captain of something that is a medial concern to the entire ship or the lives of those she is responsible for. its one more reasons i think what star trek needs someone like the writer david weber who is a navel historian -which is the closest analog to what we have now. and the actual rules they run on should be used as a frame work to make star trek work better, in the books you have non commissioned officers ranks pay grades ect. things that you would need, and his novels although set in the future money and trade are still important factors in making things work, including the investment into shipyards and improving and upgrading hardware


also i agree putting the mobile emitter in the drone was a bad move its a death flag if i ever saw one, i actually think you should have that as a new award, things that clearly signal someones death long before it actually happens to them. because lets face it in voyager and other things some people have a sign on them saying im dead way in advance of them dying

[drewder]

The one thing I've always wondered about this episode...they were playing up the whole "One as Seven's sort-of child" aspect, right? Okay, fine and good, sure.

But, ah...what about Ensign Mulchaey? The guy who's actual genetic code got snagged to make the drone? He wasn't killed by it—he's at least mentioned in later episodes. But he's, IIRC, never even mentioned in this episode after they drag him unconscious out of the lab.

So does...he have no interest in his surrogate "son" (or "twin brother")? Or any say in it's fate—I mean, in Up the Long Ladder, we've seen Starfleet officers perfectly willing to phaser (possibly) pre-viable clones made by genetic theft. Or does he just get declared an involuntary DNA donor, and told to return to duty and mind his own business?

(Man...what is it with cyborgs from the future opening up ethico-scientific cans of worms?)

The fact that he survived, I believe, was so that we didn't have to have a tuvix situation where we have to decide to kill the new character to save the old one.

[Mercury01]

This is when he had, what alcoholics like to call, a moment of clarity. If he died, he would have only been the DNA harvest of a Borg freak accident. After such a near death experience, he went on to find the air fresher, Neelix's cooking wasn't as bad, and a swing in his step. He now works on his artwork when he's no longer on duty, as that was his dream before joining Starfleet

Headcanon accepted.

[drewder]

The issue here is not one of confidentiality but one of privacy. Confidentiality would only apply if the doctor started distributing naked holopictures of Torres. Doctors have no duty to avoid looking at naked patients, they often couldn't do their job if they did. The fact he is a hologram doubles down on there not being a problem just like there not being a problem being naked in front of your toaster.

[turbo_sailor67]

While Chuck did a good review of this, I feel like he glossed over something that I saw in this that others have too.

This is Seven experiencing motherhood in a way, then the pain of losing her child...something that has to be a horrific experience for any parent.

Especially when you get to One's final scene, and the exchange "You're hurting me."/"You will adapt." Might be one of the best scenes in Voyager, honestly.

Yeah, when I was first watching this as a kid I saw it as a maternal angle from seven in that the vibe given off to me when she's teaching the drone is kind of like you're teaching a baby. Now I look at it and something maybe similar to Data when he finds his "mother"; in that Seven now isn't quite so unique, not so alone. I'm not sure how I see the relationship now but I do see it less maternalistic than I used to.

[turbo_sailor67]

Why wouldn't the video phones, which mostly seem to be used for personal matters, have a button or voice command on them or something?

Because then we couldn't have a titillating joke. Hah! Isn't it funny that the Doctor saw Torres' boobs!? Nobody cares about the logic of the scene, it's just Star Trek!

Well... back in the TNG "Neutral Zone" we have the thawed out past human use the ship's 1MC and Captain Picard lectures him that being (ostensibly military) officers they all restrain themselves to know better than to just use something in plain sight with seemingly no restrictions; and in the real world medical supersedes anything else and the Doctor is seemingly part of the ship's OS, so it's little surprise the Doctor can just get immediate access to the camera and display in the shower. The real question raised here would be, why is there a camera in the SHOWER? The real answer is just for titillation, clearly.

[Deledrius]

The real question raised here would be, why is there a camera in the SHOWER?

Obviously, the answer is: so that when you ask the ship's computer for someone's whereabouts, it can tell you that they've left the ship but no one was notified (despite not being near a ship, space station, or any other reasonable or planned method of disembarkation).

Starfleet ships follow the "but you never asked" method of personnel security tracking.

[turbo_sailor67]

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Obviously, the answer is: so that when you ask the ship's computer for someone's whereabouts, it can tell you that they've left the ship but no one was notified (despite not being near a ship, space station, or any other reasonable or planned method of disembarkation).

Starfleet ships follow the "but you never asked" method of personnel security tracking.
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Wait, I just remembered -lol- didn't Captain Janeway have the ship monitor all of the crew's vitals at all times? Like they have a fitbit or apple watch permanently on them connected to the ship's intranet. So, if she has her entire crew constantly on the IoT then she'd be suspicious the second the computer would tell her that someone wasn't giving off data anymore; I mean I assume.

Maybe some ships follow "but you never asked" but iron-fisted control freak Captain Janeway I don't think would ever not know where her underlings are.

[CrypticMirror]

Starfleet ships follow the "but you never asked" method of personnel security tracking.

Good to know somethings won't change in the future. Computers are great at giving very precise and accurate answers, but first you've got to ask a very accurate and precise question. GIGO and all that.