Regarding Tolerance

[Riedquat]

Does it make you intolerant if you seek to change them through non-violent means?

Nope. You are free to proselytize to your heart's content. I mean, you can't like, force your way into their living room or anything, but pretty much anything shy of harassment is fair game. Legally, anyway. If you do things wrong, you're likely to come across as annoying at best and a total asshole at worst. But both of those things are legal.

Tolerance really doesn't ask very much of you. 95% of it is just that you refrain from punching people. Sadly, people often have trouble hitting even that low bar.

I'm not sure whether that's just where you happen to think it's reasonable to draw the line, or that there's a fundemental difference between the two (where harrassment begins and ends is subjective too for that matter - virtually everything is).

Legal or not is beside the point. The law reflects morality and right and wrong (ideally, anyway), it doesn't define it.

[LittleRaven]

I'm not sure whether that's just where you happen to think it's reasonable to draw the line, or that there's a fundemental difference between the two (where harrassment begins and ends is subjective too for that matter - virtually everything is).

Well, it's where I and the Supreme Court draw the line.

I imagine it's obvious, but just in case, I'm coming at everything from an American perspective. Obviously, the Chinese or German governments would disagree.

[TGLS]

And France, and Britain, and Australia, and Belgium, and Canada, and ...

I hate to use ad populum, but, I'm inclined to go with the Americans are wrong.

[LittleRaven]

There's no doubt that America stands virtually alone on this issue, just as she does on so many others. History has vindicated us so far, but tomorrow is never guaranteed. We'll just have to wait and see.

But I suspect we can agree to tolerate our disagreement on this issue, even though it's most assuredly a political issue.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

There's no doubt that America stands virtually alone on this issue, just as she does on so many others. History has vindicated us so far, but tomorrow is never guaranteed. We'll just have to wait and see.

But I suspect we can agree to tolerate our disagreement on this issue, even though it's most assuredly a political issue.

History might vindicate us, in some areas, but statistics do not. We're basically a borderline third-world nation, with shitty rankings for gender equality, functional democracy, and a lot of other things that could be considered indicators of moral efficacy.

[LittleRaven]

History might vindicate us, in some areas, but statistics do not. We're basically a borderline third-world nation, with shitty rankings for gender equality, functional democracy, and a lot of other things that could be considered indicators of moral efficacy.

And yet, every year, over a million people risk life and limb to try and get into this country any way they can. One wonders why they bother.

[Karha of Honor]

There's no doubt that America stands virtually alone on this issue, just as she does on so many others. History has vindicated us so far, but tomorrow is never guaranteed. We'll just have to wait and see.

But I suspect we can agree to tolerate our disagreement on this issue, even though it's most assuredly a political issue.

History might vindicate us, in some areas, but statistics do not. We're basically a borderline third-world nation, with shitty rankings for gender equality, functional democracy, and a lot of other things that could be considered indicators of moral efficacy.

The US actually has a feminist press. An ideology that barely has purchasing power in the general public. What are you complainning about?

The US has a high home schooled population. Isn't that a sing of high autonomy compared to other countries that force children to do meaningless prussian style drudgery regardless if it's needed or not?

[TGLS]

And yet, every year, over a million people risk life and limb to try and get into this country any way they can. One wonders why they bother.

GDP per capita remains high. If the United States had a shoot to kill order for illegal immigrants and closed the border entirely, there would still be tons of people coming in bound for the US.

The US has a high home schooled population.

Isn't that a sing of unqualified teacher compared to other countries who hire qualified professionals regardless if it's needed or not?

[Worffan101]

Isn't that a sing of unqualified teacher compared to other countries who hire qualified professionals regardless if it's needed or not?

Speaking as a homeschooled American (12 years, secular), most of the reasons people homeschool are:
--Religious extremism (this is a HUGE problem here)
--The school system is shit and underfunded and Bush made it worse with NCLB and then Obama topped that off with Race to the Top which was like an extra straw thrown at the collapsed festering corpse of the donkey whose back NCLB broke, so wealthy people frequently keep their kids out of school.
--Special needs. Our school system is NOT equipped to handle these.

Me, personally, my parents took me out of a kindergarten where I was treated pretty terribly by the teachers, homeschooled me for 12 years thanks to 2 straight school districts threatening to put me in special ed because I would be "too expensive" to educate properly, and by the time I was 8 I was already finished with algebra and well on my way to trig. When I was ten we did intro calc. By the time I was 13 I took AP calc BC and Bio, both of which were Hell, got top marks on the exams.

So basically I was 4-5 years ahead. First time I took the SATs I was about 10 or 11 and I was the only kid in that room who hadn't even undergone puberty. That's how bad our school system is.

Homeschooling isn't even much better, on average; it is what you make of it, ranging from people who use Conservapedia as an actual source in discussion to wealthier folks who want their kids to have a better shot.

[Karha of Honor]

Isn't that a sing of unqualified teacher compared to other countries who hire qualified professionals regardless if it's needed or not?

How does one qualify for preparing someone for life and employment?