American Muslims Pretty Darn Tolerant of Homosexuality

[Admiral X]

[Worffan101]

Good to know you're talking out of your behind and have nothing to offer but baseless rumors, sir.

[Admiral X]

You can pretend that.

[Karha of Honor]

It amuses me that so many of the people who bash on Christians for being Christian will give Islam a pass, even though they are way more hardcore on the issues they bash Christians over.

That's what this entire thread is about.

So many people are convinced that it's just naked hypocrisy, that democrats will justify all the shit evil Christians do but for Muslims, and they are WRONG. Did you read the opening post? We're not bashing Christians just for being Christians, we're complaining about American Christians who foam at the mouth when somebody says happy holidays, or who view the existence of other religions as a form of anti-christian oppression, or who stab muslims on trains or shoot up black churches or blow up Planned Parenthood.

As a bisexual member of a religious minority, I have reasons to think that, if some skinheads and Alt Reich creeps come after me with tiki torches and assault rifles, all other things being equal, I have a better chance hiding in a mosque than in a church.

Christmas sounds awesome. If there is a press culture or cabal that want's to change it fuck them.
When Christmas will be dead i want it to be dead as Christmas. It's a great sounding word with an r in it.

Beg pardon?

Everybody is foaming at the mouth in 2018. Of course the Christians will foam at the mouth when the left is even in 2018 is foaming at the mouth at them.

So nothing to justify or deny that. Just "everybody is mad". This outrage at the phrase "happy holidays" well predates 2018.

All the above mentioned incidents are incredibly rare and hardly representative of Chrisitians. All the other groups doing similar stuff are also not representative of other groups.

But ya'll act like it's the default for Muslims as if Christians didn't have their own problems. Like the left is just pretending to like Muslims to score points, rather than recognizing that this is a nation with Freedom of Religion and that means multiple religions coexist.

if there was a state of of true believing muslims with it's own laws...

You would be fucked no matter what.

Are you saying that the Muslims we have hear and now in America aren't true believers?

Also have you seen charlotsville 2.0?

What are hyou afraid off?

Nazis. Homophobes. People who want to kill me because I am not a straight guy or a Christian. Your point?

Just get on team Christmas it's the older version and tackl;e issues of substance.

Christmas was here when i was born. Wanna drop this today or yesterday?

Look at their civic culturte. Now look at yours. The Founders had very little contact with Islam. It's an all consuming religion that very strongly believes in blasphemy and not in separation of Church and state even today. It's concept of Jihad does not fit this century.

There are very few of them. I don't know how touched they are by the most flexible culture ever to walk the Earth.

My point. Context.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Look at their civic culturte. Now look at yours. The Founders had very little contact with Islam. It's an all consuming religion that very strongly believes in blasphemy and not in separation of Church and state even today. It's concept of Jihad does not fit this century.

Well that makes your position a lot clearer.

[Yukaphile]

Actually not true. From what I've read, and I could be wrong, the jihadist mindset came about during the crusades. The Muslims were far more advanced than medieval Europe at the time. They had a post office, were studying astronomy, and could do math. Hell, didn't Saladin treat his prisoners well? And when he seized Jerusalem, he wanted to be seen as a savior, not a barbarian horde. A far cry from some modern armies who come in guns a-blazing raping, pillaging, murdering, what have you.

[Karha of Honor]

Actually not true. From what I've read, and I could be wrong, the jihadist mindset came about during the crusades. The Muslims were far more advanced than medieval Europe at the time. They had a post office, were studying astronomy, and could do math. Hell, didn't Saladin treat his prisoners well? And when he seized Jerusalem, he wanted to be seen as a savior, not a barbarian horde. A far cry from some modern armies who come in guns a-blazing raping, pillaging, murdering, what have you.

Why din't they just become Muslim and stay where they were in that case? The Arabian Penninsula.

Why did they insist that you will be taxed more if you are not a Muslim?

The Crusades were an annoying sideshow for them anyways.

Saladin's army must still have been a product of his time that never heard of the Geneva Convention.

Yeah, they were more advanced and cruel merciless just Like the Chinese , the Japanese and Europeans. there are no real saint ethnicities from that time.

[Yukaphile]

What do you mean?

What the hell does this have to do with taxes?

For who?

... what do you mean? When they entered Jerusalem, they didn't destroy a single holy building. Do you see that kind of respect from modern armies? That don't adhere to the Geneva Conventions and it's just loot, plunder, murder, rape, torture, all for sadistic pleasure?

Actually, the people back then seemed a lot like they do today. We really haven't changed that much. Our rapid industrialization and tech base just gives the illusion we have.

[Karha of Honor]

What do you mean?

What the hell does this have to do with taxes?

For who?

... what do you mean? When they entered Jerusalem, they didn't destroy a single holy building. Do you see that kind of respect from modern armies? That don't adhere to the Geneva Conventions and it's just loot, plunder, murder, rape, torture, all for sadistic pleasure?

Actually, the people back then seemed a lot like they do today. We really haven't changed that much. Our rapid industrialization and tech base just gives the illusion we have.

They taxed non muslims that is how they converted.

It was a Holy City for everyone so he could justify it. Even if he was saint their civilization was just as bad as the rest of them.

We changed enough to be comfortable and more antonomous. Good enough for me. Can be improved.

[Yukaphile]

Then you're just declaring them "culturally inferior," even back then, aye? I hear they had much more sophisticated infrastructure. Post offices that ran to cities thousands of miles away. Where did you get that in Europe? And from what I can tell, the church was very much anti-science and anti-astronomy and anti-math. All of which they had back then. They invented the telescope before Europe had it. Imagine what European Knights or Kings could have done with that? Point being they were ahead of the Western World at the time.