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Yukaphile wrote: ↑Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:36 pm
The GOP keeps hammering us over the head that it's about character, isn't it? Then when we try to point out their character flaws, that the hard right they shelter seems to be a breeding ground for really extreme misogynists and incels and Red Pillers and pedophiles, people flock to make excuses for them.
That extreme misogyny might be inside your head. Incels are people who can't get laid; that isn't a moral failing any more than being paraplegic is.
I don't know why you see "red pilled" as a moral failing, though of course some people calling themselves "red pilled" are definitely misogynistic, some people calling themselves "feminist" are misandrist.
And the ones I see defending pedophiles are on the left.
No, Incels are a chauvinistic movement that blames their lack of getting laid on everyone except themselves. Gay men, for example, aren't allowed to be incels because "gay men are always ready to have sex." It's not a mere lack of sex, it's a twisted victim complex for which women must pay with their lives. There IS no such thing as "Involutnarily Celibate". There are just a lot of horny, butthurt little creeps who are primarily left unfucked because any woman with decent instincts knows to stay five miles away from them.
What ones on the left are defending pedophiles? Have you seen any left-wing candidate openly admit to wanting to fuck their own children? I haven't. On the right, however, that kind of behavior doesn't even stop you from winning the presidential nomination.
There is such a thing as "involuntarily celibate." Guys (or gals,more rarely) can lack access to sex.
Your left-wing candidate question is a straw man argument. You should know what those are by now.
In September 2015, Salon published an article written by Todd Nickerson, founder of Virtuous Pedophiles, about his experiences with being a non-offending pedophile, titled: "I’m a pedophile, but not a monster."
Well shit, I didn't know about the salon article. Is he being defended by his fellow democrats?
You can't be "involuntarily celibate", because, at the risk of being pendantic, celibacy itself is defined as a personal choice to abstain from sex, usually for religious reasons. Self-identified "incels" are creeps trying to make the fact that any woman with standards or sense won't spread for them into some kind of massive persecution at the hands of liberated feminists and Chads.
"Believe me, there’s nothing so terrible that someone won’t support it."
— Un Lun Dun, China Mieville
Yukaphile wrote: ↑Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:36 pm
The GOP keeps hammering us over the head that it's about character, isn't it? Then when we try to point out their character flaws, that the hard right they shelter seems to be a breeding ground for really extreme misogynists and incels and Red Pillers and pedophiles, people flock to make excuses for them.
That extreme misogyny might be inside your head. Incels are people who can't get laid; that isn't a moral failing any more than being paraplegic is.
I don't know why you see "red pilled" as a moral failing, though of course some people calling themselves "red pilled" are definitely misogynistic, some people calling themselves "feminist" are misandrist.
And the ones I see defending pedophiles are on the left.
No, Incels are a chauvinistic movement that blames their lack of getting laid on everyone except themselves. Gay men, for example, aren't allowed to be incels because "gay men are always ready to have sex." It's not a mere lack of sex, it's a twisted victim complex for which women must pay with their lives. There IS no such thing as "Involutnarily Celibate". There are just a lot of horny, butthurt little creeps who are primarily left unfucked because any woman with decent instincts knows to stay five miles away from them.
What ones on the left are defending pedophiles? Have you seen any left-wing candidate openly admit to wanting to fuck their own children? I haven't. On the right, however, that kind of behavior doesn't even stop you from winning the presidential nomination.
There is such a thing as "involuntarily celibate." Guys (or gals,more rarely) can lack access to sex.
Your left-wing candidate question is a straw man argument. You should know what those are by now.
In September 2015, Salon published an article written by Todd Nickerson, founder of Virtuous Pedophiles, about his experiences with being a non-offending pedophile, titled: "I’m a pedophile, but not a monster."
Well shit, I didn't know about the salon article. Is he being defended by his fellow democrats?
You can't be "involuntarily celibate", because, at the risk of being pendantic, celibacy itself is defined as a personal choice to abstain from sex, usually for religious reasons. Self-identified "incels" are creeps trying to make the fact that any woman with standards or sense won't spread for them into some kind of massive persecution at the hands of liberated feminists and Chads.
I don't know if he was defended by democrats or not, but I've seen nothing like it on the conservative side.
Point to you on what celibate means. However, just because someone wants sex and isn't getting any doesn't mean anything except just that -- wanting sex and not getting any. A lot of members of the community are misogynistic, and many self-professed "feminists" are misandristic. Does that mean anyone calling themselves a feminist is guilty of misandry?
Darth Wedgius wrote: ↑Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:24 pm
Point to you on what celibate means. However, just because someone wants sex and isn't getting any doesn't mean anything except just that -- wanting sex and not getting any. A lot of members of the community are misogynistic, and many self-professed "feminists" are misandristic. Does that mean anyone calling themselves a feminist is guilty of misandry?
There's a difference between a movement containing extremists, and a movement founded upon extremist ideals. One is presumably operating in good faith (but can be spoiled) while the other is rotten from inception.
I can choose to ignore the misandrists in feminism and still be a productive feminist. If I ignore the misogynistic aspects of the incel philosophy, nothing remains.
I have seen pedophiles or those accused of it on the GOP side that they won't eject from their party. Hell, I've heard they go to gay bars where they hook up with underage gay boys. Could be rumors, but might be true. Power breeds corruption, and they're the same as all religious crusaders. Blind to their own moral failings, especially these "born again" Christians who believe that because they've seen the light and Jesus has "saved" them and purged their sins, they can do whatever the fuck they want and still get into heaven, even murder and rape.
"A culture's teachings - and more importantly, the nature of its people - achieve definition in conflict. They find themselves, or find themselves lacking."
— Kreia, Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords
Yukaphile wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:26 am
I have seen pedophiles or those accused of it on the GOP side that they won't eject from their party. Hell, I've heard they go to gay bars where they hook up with underage gay boys. Could be rumors, but might be true. Power breeds corruption, and they're the same as all religious crusaders. Blind to their own moral failings, especially these "born again" Christians who believe that because they've seen the light and Jesus has "saved" them and purged their sins, they can do whatever the fuck they want and still get into heaven, even murder and rape.
Does the Democratic party kick out convicted pedophiles? Does it kick out accused pedophiles?
Al Franken is gone, isn't he? He was accused of sexual abuse, and he's gone. So is Anthony Weiner, the guy texting photos of his own dick. When is the GOP going to do that? It highlights that old adage. Republicans fall in line, Democrats fall in love. They're like a big mafia, as I said, in that "you don't go against the party!" Tbh, I wish they had someone like Michael Steele as Chairman back. But those days are long gone. They really do believe in this white genocide bullshit, know they're a shrinking minority, so feel as if they gotta band together no matter how rotten their colleagues are. Bah.
"A culture's teachings - and more importantly, the nature of its people - achieve definition in conflict. They find themselves, or find themselves lacking."
— Kreia, Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords
I get a chuckle whenever I hear that guy's name now. Just think, that's his legacy - long after he's gone, that will be what he's remembered for, in part because his name just makes it that much easier to remember.
"Black care rarely sits behind a rider whose pace is fast enough."
-TR
Anthony Weiner? Yeah, that is a rather unfortunate naming choice.
"A culture's teachings - and more importantly, the nature of its people - achieve definition in conflict. They find themselves, or find themselves lacking."
— Kreia, Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords
Yukaphile wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:04 pm
Al Franken is gone, isn't he? He was accused of sexual abuse, and he's gone. So is Anthony Weiner, the guy texting photos of his own dick. When is the GOP going to do that? It highlights that old adage. Republicans fall in line, Democrats fall in love. They're like a big mafia, as I said, in that "you don't go against the party!" Tbh, I wish they had someone like Michael Steele as Chairman back. But those days are long gone. They really do believe in this white genocide bullshit, know they're a shrinking minority, so feel as if they gotta band together no matter how rotten their colleagues are. Bah.
Yes, Al Franken is no longer a politician, but I have no reason to believe he was kicked out of the party, and I haven't heard any assertions that he was a pedophile.
Do you know of a GOP politician that was convicted of pedophilia and stayed in office?
And you are yet again assigning motivations to people you don't like, without bothering with evidence. You have a habit of doing that. If you want to know the truth, you should at least be honest with yourself.
Deledrius wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:55 am
There's a difference between a movement containing extremists, and a movement founded upon extremist ideals. One is presumably operating in good faith (but can be spoiled) while the other is rotten from inception.
I can choose to ignore the misandrists in feminism and still be a productive feminist. If I ignore the misogynistic aspects of the incel philosophy, nothing remains.
Not so. There is "r/IncelsWithoutHate," for example. Though I admit that misogyny is more rampant in self-described incels than misandry in self-described feminists.
Just think, that's his legacy - long after he's gone, that will be what he's remembered for, in part because his name just makes it that much easier to remember. 
