Rigging the vote: how the American right is on the way to permanent minority rule

[Karha of Honor]

I find it so ironic people think a strong woman President with liberal policies who was wicked smart and would have continued Obama's administration was somehow the "status quo candidate" over the four-plus decade career politician in bed with the NRA, getting nothing done, a beneficiary of white man privilege, etc...

Wicked smart? When Romney made his destructive comments about certain people not paying taxes he spoke to about 40 people. When Hillary made gher deplorable statements she was on stage with cameras on her.

Hillary's brand of liberalism = status quo.

It's ironic Darth Wedgius thinks Hillary Clinton was a hard-left candidate even though she pretty much ran on a centrist campaign. She was basically Obama's third term.

Obama's third term = racial and gender idenity politics on steroids.

That also assumes Democrats only lean left, Republicans only lean right. When there are conservative Democrats, and "fiscally conservative, socially liberal Republicans."

If they are conservative Democrats you sure as hell barely hear from them and they dare not to cross the real leadership of the Left.

[CharlesPhipps]

I hated voting for Hillary because she was far far too right for me. I wanted someone to genuinely bring change and tackle the poverty problem in America.

But I voted for her because I felt Trump would do a much much worse job.

[Yukaphile]

And Clinton eventually apologized for those comments, didn't she?

Racial and gender identity politics is code for "racism and sexism is solved, we need to focus on ecomics now." So obviously the fact there's an estimated 200,000 sexual assaults per year, and so much racial violence that goes back generations, proves this theory, huh? Oh but I forgot. We need to legalize weed. That will stop mass incarceration.

Those conservative Democrats would be the same ones who voted for Clinton.

I always find it so amusing to hear Bernie voters who somehow think he'd be a pioneering force for change, when his own Senate record shows he alienates people he needs to work with (backed up by his trip to fake an endorsement from the Pope), and can barely get anything done. He's the amendment king for a reason, and the only thing he's really accomplished is naming three post offices. That's it.

[Madner Kami]

Racial and gender identity politics is code for "racism and sexism is solved, we need to focus on ecomics now." So obviously the fact there's an estimated 200,000 sexual assaults per year, and so much racial violence that goes back generations, proves this theory, huh? Oh but I forgot. We need to legalize weed. That will stop mass incarceration.

It actually would and it will free immense amounts of resources in judicial and executive organizations who are currently busy with chasing, trialing and incarcerating Chad from the other side of the road for years to come, just because he smoked a joint in public.

[Yukaphile]

I think a gendered awakening is even more important. As SF Debris noted in "Profit and Lace," we sadly do still view the world through gendered views, and sexual desire complicates that and gets in the way. Some people argue we have no free will, or that we're influenced by things outside our control. If so, that would mean that gender and sexual identities are part of who we are, and we can't change it, but even so, I still see room for improvement, to get a discussion going. That would include stuff like research into gender studies. I know a lot of people get angry about that, but it is supposed to be about learning, right? Expanding our understanding of the universe? What good is that when we don't even know ourselves? The fact we just elected a horribly sexist man to the White House and very possibly a sexual predator (I mean, he said he'd date his own daughter, what a sick man) proves we still have a long way to go in tackling gender issues. Let alone stuff like normalizing the LGBT community so they aren't seen as an "other."

[Karha of Honor]

And Clinton eventually apologized for those comments, didn't she?

Racial and gender identity politics is code for "racism and sexism is solved, we need to focus on ecomics now." So obviously the fact there's an estimated 200,000 sexual assaults per year, and so much racial violence that goes back generations, proves this theory, huh? Oh but I forgot. We need to legalize weed. That will stop mass incarceration.

Those conservative Democrats would be the same ones who voted for Clinton.

I always find it so amusing to hear Bernie voters who somehow think he'd be a pioneering force for change, when his own Senate record shows he alienates people he needs to work with (backed up by his trip to fake an endorsement from the Pope), and can barely get anything done. He's the amendment king for a reason, and the only thing he's really accomplished is naming three post offices. That's it.

So if she apologized it means she is a smart politician?

How do you even measure 200000 seaxual assaults? Everyone got the same legal rights there is not much you can do with race targetted policies.

But theuy don't have single voice in the public square and ca epect to be wiped out and cast out of the Party.

[Worffan101]

I hated voting for Hillary because she was far far too right for me. I wanted someone to genuinely bring change and tackle the poverty problem in America.

But I voted for her because I felt Trump would do a much much worse job.

Same here.

Clinton would have changed nothing and we'd slowly slide deeper into corporate-run Hell.

Trump has brought change, but it's to accelerate the rise of that corporate-run Hell and to destroy our alliances while he's at it so that the Russians will be able to capitalize and take what they want. What a fucking disaster of a leader.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Hi! Third party voter here! Your failure to win an election and my vote is your fault, not mine.

Have a great day!

Totally fictitious election ballot:

[ ] I'd like to be tapped on the the head with a reflex hammer.
[ ] I'd like to be tapped on the head with a hydraulic rock breaker operated by Yuri, the drunk trackhoe operator.
[ ] I'm too pure to care.

Totally real election ballot:

[ ] A center-right government with principles in line with the liberal-democratic principles shared by the rest of the developed world.
[ ] A grasping, racist, oligarchy whose inaction on climate change will likely doom human civilization.
[ ] I'm too pure to care.

When there is a clear choice between the status quo and catastrophe, choosing not to choose has dire consequences.

I'm still gonna vote for the liberal-democratic parties, but I just want to remind you that they are going to do the things that Republicans do to us to people all over the world. So like, instead of killing American queers, they will support queer-killign regimes.

Still would rather to have a homebound reduction in queer-killing because I know that the Republicans want to kill queers here and abroad whatever we do.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

GOP gerrymandering is shitty, but so is Democratic gerrymandering. Don't blame the GOP for doing it better in key states. Come up with strictly geometric methods of dividing up districts and I'll be happy. Also don't blame them for how the electoral college works. Want to get rid of the electoral college? Fine -- we can put an amendment up for a vote. Want to call the rules unfair after the race is over? Sorry.

I've been opposign the elector college well before we lost the election. Democratic Gerrymandering has become obsolete. Now one party is winning by cheating and disenfranchisement and it's not the one I reluctantly tolerate as mine.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

I find it so ironic people think a strong woman President with liberal policies who was wicked smart and would have continued Obama's administration was somehow the "status quo candidate" over the four-plus decade career politician in bed with the NRA, getting nothing done, a beneficiary of white man privilege, etc...

Stop blaming Bernie for Hillary's lost because he didn't support her hard enough.

Hillary has and continues to be a political opportunist with very little center and complicity in her share of bombs dropped on the heads of innocent civillians that don't count because they are brown, foreign civillians, apparently. Hillary supported the pipeline. You know, that pipeline that involved bulldozing native american burial grounds? The pipeline that my friend protested in freezing conditions while the police belted them with water cannons and sound cannons? The pipeline that poisons the drinking water and crop-growing soil for miles around it every time it leaks?

I still voted for her, because I liked Neelix even less, but I'm not romanticizing that pragmatic choice.