Rigging the vote: how the American right is on the way to permanent minority rule

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

I tend to disagree. If the main reason to vote for someone is "Everyone else is worse", then the election is flat out broken and, specifically for an individual's vote, then that voter is not represented in any way, which is bad enough on it's own. Voting for the lesser evil is no choice.

But choosing not to choose still is a choice.

The system's broken? FUck yeah it is! That's what phrases like "gerrymandering" are all about! I still want to do something to slow down the right at which everything gets worse in the meantime as well as act through other modes of socio-political praxis.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

It's ironic Darth Wedgius thinks Hillary Clinton was a hard-left candidate even though she pretty much ran on a centrist campaign. She was basically Obama's third term.

This, at least, is something we can agree on, and if it's a reason you love her, you should know it's a reason why I hate her.

[Yukaphile]

I'm afraid the wounds of 2016 are not going away so easily. I've already accepted Clinton won't run in 2020, and I'm fine with that, really. I just hope Sanders doesn't run again. It would cause too much backlash. We need time to heal and come together to beat Trump. And there's a lot of other better alternatives out there, like Harris or Warren, or people from my own state like Amy Klobuchar.

Oh and regarding the Senator himself, trust me, there are some out there who were hurt worse than I was, who think he's as bad as or worse than Trump. Who think he's worse than Hitler or Stalin. Trust me, I met them. I just tend to think he's a bag of hot air myself. And that he contributed to, wasn't entirely responsible, for her loss. Elections are complex things, and lots of variables lead to the outcome.

[Deledrius]

And there's a lot of other better alternatives out there, like Harris or Warren, or people from my own state like Amy Klobuchar.

I really do hope Warren runs. She's expressed reluctance in the past, but perhaps the situation has changed. Sadly, things are so polarized and she's such a solid candidate that I dread it for her sake. I feel selfish wanting her to run, but I do think she'd be a wonderful Presidential candidate for the Democrats.

[Yukaphile]

I think she could unite the progressive wing and those in the middle, with a few odd exceptions. Hell, I suspect Clinton wanted her as her VP, and she turned her down, given how independent she is, she didn't want to play second fiddle.

[Deledrius]

I think she could unite the progressive wing and those in the middle, with a few odd exceptions. Hell, I suspect Clinton wanted her as her VP, and she turned her down, given how independent she is, she didn't want to play second fiddle.

I can see that. I also don't think they would have been compatible, so I'm glad they didn't run together.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

I'm afraid the wounds of 2016 are not going away so easily. I've already accepted Clinton won't run in 2020, and I'm fine with that, really. I just hope Sanders doesn't run again. It would cause too much backlash. We need time to heal and come together to beat Trump. And there's a lot of other better alternatives out there, like Harris or Warren, or people from my own state like Amy Klobuchar.

Oh and regarding the Senator himself, trust me, there are some out there who were hurt worse than I was, who think he's as bad as or worse than Trump. Who think he's worse than Hitler or Stalin. Trust me, I met them. I just tend to think he's a bag of hot air myself. And that he contributed to, wasn't entirely responsible, for her loss. Elections are complex things, and lots of variables lead to the outcome.

Well for a while I was pretty sure you said that Sanders was as bad as President Neelix, so I'm glad you've changed your tune on that.
For me, he represented a hope of ending the institutional choke-chains on my generation, like sub-survival minimum wages, student debt, etc.

[Yukaphile]

I mean... Hitler and Stalin killed people! And let those under their command do awful things. So... to even compare anyone from 2016 to them? Even Trump? No. Just... no.

[CharlesPhipps]

I mean... Hitler and Stalin killed people! And let those under their command do awful things. So... to even compare anyone from 2016 to them? Even Trump? No. Just... no.

Even among recent American Presidents, I'm not ranking Trump as the worst.

I think George W. Bush was much much worse simply because he jumped headlong into wars and managed the one any rationale president would have fought in (Afghanistan) badly. He also legalized torture. He's directly involved in a few hundred thousand unnecessary deaths and destabilizing the Middle East due to bad policy.

Trump gets my disgust for his handling of Puerto Rico and immigration but we're in different ballparks.

[Yukaphile]

And he ruined the surplus and the balanced budget we had at the end of the nineties. Plus, Andrew Jackson. Just... come on. Also, anyone remember Teapot Dome?