She-Ra and the Princesses of Power

[Yukaphile]

I wouldn't know. I was born in 1987, lol. So my childhood was Batman: The Animated Series, VR Troopers, Superhuman Samurai Syber Squad, Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers, and Beetleborgs.

[clearspira]

And as for the hate ''only'' being because of attitude towards SJWs, I call bullshit. And I call bullshit because I have spent the last year as someone who vocally hates Rey from Star Wars because she is a Mary Sue, and the response is me being called a Manbaby for it because I ''hate women'' or I ''hate the SJWs.'' I was vocal in my hate of Ghostbusters because i hate no-script, improvised comedy, and the response is me being called a sexist who hates women. I am vocal in my hatred of STD because of the massive lore breaks, and the response is the idea that I hate strong black women.
I see the exact same thing here. I nice simple way to deflect all criticism from your product.

You do realize that listing off a bunch of things you hate, and that you have been called various flavor of sexist... Does not in anyway make you look better right?

Like, if someone says you are sexist, and then you call bullshit by saying, "I get called sexist all the time" that is not a refutation of the point.

Have you considered they are calling you sexist because you are sexist, and your criticisms of media is just where the trait is most noticeable to others?

This is EXACTLY what I am talking about. The smoke without fire fallacy. The ease of which you can dismiss people of certain demographics from criticising you. "You can't Rey because she is poorly written and perfect in every way without earning it, you just hate women. You can't hate the new Ghostbusters team because you think that scripted intelligent comedy is better than vagina fart jokes, Melissa McCarthy falling on her ass repeatedly and having no wantons in soup, you must hate women. You can't hate STD because it breaks with line after line of lore in the franchise that you have loved watching for the last thirty years of your life, you must be a sexist and a racist."

Getting called sexist when your views are not sexist because they are based on everything else but their sex is a refutation of the point thank you very much.

[clearspira]

Tbf, I dislike the same things, and for the same reasons. Yet I'm also left wing while I think clearspira is right wing, for whatever that's worth.

And I'm not against a team of female Ghostbusters on principle. I'm not against the new lead of Star Wars being female to invert traditional gender roles. I just think modern Hollywood sucks. Give me the classics any day, for as much as they had gender and racial flaws that we're slowly dealing with in today's world.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

[Rocketboy1313]

This is EXACTLY what I am talking about. The smoke without fire fallacy. The ease of which you can dismiss people of certain demographics from criticising you. "You can't Rey because she is poorly written and perfect in every way without earning it, you just hate women. You can't hate the new Ghostbusters team because you think that scripted intelligent comedy is better than vagina fart jokes, Melissa McCarthy falling on her ass repeatedly and having no wantons in soup, you must hate women. You can't hate STD because it breaks with line after line of lore in the franchise that you have loved watching for the last thirty years of your life, you must be a sexist and a racist."

Getting called sexist when your views are not sexist because they are based on everything else but their sex is a refutation of the point thank you very much.

I don't actually want to get into a debate on this.
Just pointing out, that on a board about She-Ra you decided to bring up how you keep getting called sexist for disliking things, you then bring up a number of properties that have nothing to do with She-Ra and how you were called sexist about them, and then try to present this as evidence you are not sexist.

So my position is: maybe it is not that a large number of strangers are calling you sexist because they want to somehow discredit your rando opinion on various geek properties... instead, maybe you are just sexist, and rather than admit to it you instead want to blame all of this on people wanting to silence you for your opinions on cartoons.

Because, and I don't think you realize this, you should not care this much about cartoons or any nerd property to where you form a persecution complex for not liking it.

She-Ra was mildly more interesting than He-Man in the 80's primarily because having a female led action show with a fresh set of characters was interesting. He-Man served in many ways as a beta for what would ultimately work on She-Ra... But none of that stuff was actually good. They are bad shows and while most kids today would have no issue watching them, I know that I had little enthusiasm for when I saw them in reruns when I was small.

Complaining that a modern cartoon does not measure up to them is insane, it is like comparing the same make of car from different decades, they are made for different audiences, with different limitations of the animation, with different products to compete against. They are not going to be the same show, just like the 4 Batman cartoons that have come out since 1989. If your only complaint is that it is not enough like a cartoon from 1985 you sound like a crazy person, especially when you are super venomous about it.

[Fixer]

you are just sexist, and rather than admit to it you instead want to blame all of this on people wanting to silence you for your opinions on cartoons.

Don't.

You can surround that statement in weasel words all you like but you're making an ad-hominem attack.
You don't get to skirt the forum rules because you're implying it rather than saying it outright.

Consider this thread warned. Stick to arguments and opinions and not individuals.

[Yukaphile]

Holy... wow... dang, that escalated quickly... :O

[Antiboyscout]

This is EXACTLY what I am talking about. The smoke without fire fallacy. The ease of which you can dismiss people of certain demographics from criticising you. "You can't Rey because she is poorly written and perfect in every way without earning it, you just hate women. You can't hate the new Ghostbusters team because you think that scripted intelligent comedy is better than vagina fart jokes, Melissa McCarthy falling on her ass repeatedly and having no wantons in soup, you must hate women. You can't hate STD because it breaks with line after line of lore in the franchise that you have loved watching for the last thirty years of your life, you must be a sexist and a racist."

Getting called sexist when your views are not sexist because they are based on everything else but their sex is a refutation of the point thank you very much.

I don't actually want to get into a debate on this.
Just pointing out, that on a board about She-Ra you decided to bring up how you keep getting called sexist for disliking things, you then bring up a number of properties that have nothing to do with She-Ra and how you were called sexist about them, and then try to present this as evidence you are not sexist.

So my position is: maybe it is not that a large number of strangers are calling you sexist because they want to somehow discredit your rando opinion on various geek properties... instead, maybe you are just sexist, and rather than admit to it you instead want to blame all of this on people wanting to silence you for your opinions on cartoons.

Because, and I don't think you realize this, you should not care this much about cartoons or any nerd property to where you form a persecution complex for not liking it.

She-Ra was mildly more interesting than He-Man in the 80's primarily because having a female led action show with a fresh set of characters was interesting. He-Man served in many ways as a beta for what would ultimately work on She-Ra... But none of that stuff was actually good. They are bad shows and while most kids today would have no issue watching them, I know that I had little enthusiasm for when I saw them in reruns when I was small.

Complaining that a modern cartoon does not measure up to them is insane, it is like comparing the same make of car from different decades, they are made for different audiences, with different limitations of the animation, with different products to compete against. They are not going to be the same show, just like the 4 Batman cartoons that have come out since 1989. If your only complaint is that it is not enough like a cartoon from 1985 you sound like a crazy person, especially when you are super venomous about it.

Person 1: I don't like Christianity.

Person 2: You're a witch!

Person 1: I'm not a witch!

Person 2: maybe it is not that a large number of strangers are calling you a witch because they want to somehow discredit you... instead, maybe you are just a witch, and rather than admit to it you instead want to blame all of this on people wanting to silence you.

[Antiboyscout]

3. Even if we toss out the first two arguments, can you really dismiss the age of Avatar the Last Airbender, Gravity Falls, Over the Garden Wall and the like as somehow inferior to the animated art of the past, ESPECIALLY in terms of character development? That's a reach that Mr Fantastic would be proud of.

Avatar the Last Airbender turned into the Legend or Kora, and shit the bed so hard that they killed the IP and the creative team split up to pursue new projects.

also

[Yukaphile]

So gonna dismiss Avatar because of a shit sequel? Mkay.

[clearspira]

3. Even if we toss out the first two arguments, can you really dismiss the age of Avatar the Last Airbender, Gravity Falls, Over the Garden Wall and the like as somehow inferior to the animated art of the past, ESPECIALLY in terms of character development? That's a reach that Mr Fantastic would be proud of.

Avatar the Last Airbender turned into the Legend or Kora, and shit the bed so hard that they killed the IP and the creative team split up to pursue new projects.

also

I feel like pointing out here that as Avatar made its debut in 2003 that is still very much in that Golden Age that I was speaking of given how I also reference Justice League which was still airing when this made its debut. Avatar is hardly a modern property.