Democrats Take Back House

[Karha of Honor]

... what does that have to do with anything?

... you know, not having a female President... is something we can change today... it's within our power... yet we don't... so that is an injustice to get furious over... how can you not see that? Treat it as something "trendy?" Like a... fashion statement?

That is what it all is.

[Admiral X]

So you're okay that we've had 44 white male Presidents and only one black man?

I do not care about the race or sex of a Presidential candidate - I care about their politics and their actions. Do you think I view TR as a personal hero because he was a white male? Or what he did as a person and as a President?

[Yukaphile]

Oh don't give me that, pious one. It doesn't speak to us as a society that white men have had a stranglehold on the White House? Oh it's all well and good to say you think minorities and women can do the job. But there's never been a female President, has there? Or a Latino President. Or a Muslim President or a Buddhist President or so on and so forth, has there? Listen to me. If we had two candidates, one man, one woman, and he won the nomination, and chose her for VP, she is obligated to refuse it, because if she's qualified enough to succeed him, then she's qualified enough to have the top job with none of this second place bullshit. It's similar to Affirmative Action in getting fair and equal representation. He shouldn't have the job in her place, she should have it. To finally fucking prove women can do the job.

[LittleRaven]

If we had two candidates, one man, one woman, and he won the nomination, and chose her for VP, she is obligated to refuse it, because if she's qualified enough to succeed him, then she's qualified enough to have the top job with none of this second place bullshit.

You appear to have very little conception of how politics actually works.

[Yukaphile]

I know that's not how it works. It's how it should work, though. And my deepest fear is some dumb man will nominate a woman in 2020, someone primaries Trump, he wins, and then either dies or resigns, and that's how women get to the White House. Piggybacking off men. Sneaking in through the window. Not shattering the glass window. That's pathetic. I would expect nothing less from such a backward and patriarchal country.

[Madner Kami]

Dude, seriously, you are talking about doing exactly what you propose as a terrible prospect. You want to elevate a woman into office not just not on her own merits, but because "she would piggyback on white men", while not realizing that you are advocating for elevating a woman into office by virtue of white men saying so.

Is there a way to block someone? I'm tired of this ever-repeating cycle of inconsistencies.

[Karha of Honor]

I know that's not how it works. It's how it should work, though. And my deepest fear is some dumb man will nominate a woman in 2020, someone primaries Trump, he wins, and then either dies or resigns, and that's how women get to the White House. Piggybacking off men. Sneaking in through the window. Not shattering the glass window. That's pathetic. I would expect nothing less from such a backward and patriarchal country.

Backward compared to what IRL countries?

[Karha of Honor]

Dude, seriously, you are talking about doing exactly what you propose as a terrible prospect. You want to elevate a woman into office not just not on her own merits, but because "she would piggyback on white men", while not realizing that you are advocating for elevating a woman into office by virtue of white men saying so.

Is there a way to block someone? I'm tired of this ever-repeating cycle of inconsistencies.

Click on his profile and add foe.

[Yukaphile]

Well, fine. If Madner Kami feels that way, then I'm adding him as a foe too.

And no, it is entirely on her own merits. If she's qualified enough for a token role like Vice-President, to succeed the President someday, then she's qualified enough to be President and she deserves the top job simply by virtue that we've never had one and we desperately need a competent female President simply as a matter of fair representation. It's an issue of basic decency and human rights, and to prove to those sexist assholes here who really do think women are too hysterical and emotional to be leaders that they can do the job and do it well.

[Admiral X]

Oh don't give me that, pious one.

It's entirely true, and you have no counter for that.

It doesn't speak to us as a society that white men have had a stranglehold on the White House? Oh it's all well and good to say you think minorities and women can do the job. But there's never been a female President, has there? Or a Latino President. Or a Muslim President or a Buddhist President or so on and so forth, has there? Listen to me.

I think it says something pretty bad if all you care about is what someone is. For all your stated obsession with electing a woman President, I kind of doubt that if you had to pick between Sarah Palin and Joe Biden that you'd vote for Palin, nor would most other people who obsess over the idea.

It's similar to Affirmative Action in getting fair and equal representation.

Affirmative Action is just another form of discrimination. Your scenario is ludicrous if you truly view women as being equal to men, and comes off more like sour grapes than anything.

And my deepest fear is some dumb man will nominate a woman in 2020, someone primaries Trump, he wins, and then either dies or resigns, and that's how women get to the White House.

That is literally how TR became President, and he was one of the best Presidents in the history of this country. His party was frustrated with him and stuck him as VP in the hopes that it would kill his political career, and in the end it put him right where he wanted to be thanks to an assassin's bullet. He went on to win a second term, and probably would have won a third had he not limited himself to the traditional two terms since there was no term limit set yet at the time.

I would expect nothing less from such a backward and patriarchal country.

And no, it is entirely on her own merits. If she's qualified enough for a token role like Vice-President, to succeed the President someday, then she's qualified enough to be President and she deserves the top job simply by virtue that we've never had one and we desperately need a competent female President simply as a matter of fair representation. It's an issue of basic decency and human rights, and to prove to those sexist assholes here who really do think women are too hysterical and emotional to be leaders that they can do the job and do it well.

Your concept of fairness aside, you do realize that many Vice-Presidents have gone on to become President, don't you? As in, not just through assassination, but through election? That being Vice-President would not necessarily be the end of the road?