Europe has open borders. If there were less severe social problems in the Americas, we might have open borders too.
And you literally don't care that children are being gassed because "we have to uphold the law?" Which is merely a system of legal documents meant to prevent anarchy, not something that is necessarily moral. Try and understand why they're "storming" the border, because their lives are hell, and they think the US is like a dream they can escape. Some will accuse them of trying to "mooch" off of the US? Why shouldn't they be entitled to a piece of the pie given we've been handed everything on a silver platter, still complain about it, and they could arguably appreciate this country better than we do? Especially given how we've fucked up their countries. Yes, that was the government, not you or me, but I still feel bad about it.
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That open border policy has not been doing Europe any favors, incidentally, other than making a minority of privileged bourgeois feel better about themselves.
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What do you even mean? Open borders will help break down social and national barriers a lot easier than many other things. I hate our modern day tribes, and they've got to go, but... seems very impossible in today's climate.
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There's a difference between internal EU-borders, which are open and external EU-borders, which are not.
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Guess you got a point.
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Jesus Fuzzy. It's not like we're staking kids to the ground and firing tear gas at them.Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:20 am You are justifying the use of chemical weapons on children.
A few kids got caught in a cloud aimed at the overwhelmingly adult and male group of protesters trying to break through the fence. If you really draw your red line at "no children must ever be exposed to tear gas ever, regardless of circumstance," well, you're going to find the world a deeply unsatisfying place.
Again, there are thousands of refugees trying their hardest to comply with the legal process. They have been patiently waiting for weeks, even months, for their claims to be processed. Do you really approve of people trying to skip the line?
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President literally deployed more troops to the border than there were migrants in the caravan. You're telling me the only viable solution was to deploy broad-area dispersal chemical weapons? If "hoze them down with tear gas" is your first response to people trying to get in somewhere they aren't supposed to go, I'd hate to have you working security at a concert.Darth Wedgius wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:21 amYes, I am. Again, what alternatives are there, other than open borders? Send SEAL Team 6 in for a pillow fight? Have the National Guard hold up pictures of sad puppies? A big sign saying, "Sorry, we're closed?" A cowboy at the border, opening a toll booth?Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:20 am You are justifying the use of chemical weapons on children.
Look, I understand not wanting to see people hurt. But people are bringing along those children in an attempt to storm the border. Some discomfort should be expected. If not hurting children to any degree is a hard and fast rule for you, hey, you have to be you.
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Should they work them over with their fists? Nice clubbing with rifle stocks? Or are you for martyring them through live fire? You justify the beating and murder of children?Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:50 pmPresident literally deployed more troops to the border than there were migrants in the caravan. You're telling me the only viable solution was to deploy broad-area dispersal chemical weapons? If "hoze them down with tear gas" is your first response to people trying to get in somewhere they aren't supposed to go, I'd hate to have you working security at a concert.Darth Wedgius wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:21 amYes, I am. Again, what alternatives are there, other than open borders? Send SEAL Team 6 in for a pillow fight? Have the National Guard hold up pictures of sad puppies? A big sign saying, "Sorry, we're closed?" A cowboy at the border, opening a toll booth?Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:20 am You are justifying the use of chemical weapons on children.
Look, I understand not wanting to see people hurt. But people are bringing along those children in an attempt to storm the border. Some discomfort should be expected. If not hurting children to any degree is a hard and fast rule for you, hey, you have to be you.
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How did you even get that out of what I said? Did you see the final sentence?Robovski wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:58 pmShould they work them over with their fists? Nice clubbing with rifle stocks? Or are you for martyring them through live fire? You justify the beating and murder of children?Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:50 pmPresident literally deployed more troops to the border than there were migrants in the caravan. You're telling me the only viable solution was to deploy broad-area dispersal chemical weapons? If "hoze them down with tear gas" is your first response to people trying to get in somewhere they aren't supposed to go, I'd hate to have you working security at a concert.Darth Wedgius wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:21 amYes, I am. Again, what alternatives are there, other than open borders? Send SEAL Team 6 in for a pillow fight? Have the National Guard hold up pictures of sad puppies? A big sign saying, "Sorry, we're closed?" A cowboy at the border, opening a toll booth?Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:20 am You are justifying the use of chemical weapons on children.
Look, I understand not wanting to see people hurt. But people are bringing along those children in an attempt to storm the border. Some discomfort should be expected. If not hurting children to any degree is a hard and fast rule for you, hey, you have to be you.
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