Doctor Who: The Movie

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Yukaphile wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:16 am Hey now. I think Kennedy has made awful decisions, and I'm as pro-liberal as you can get. De-canonizing Legends was just a stupid business move. They should have done what Marvel did and tried to adapt some popular Legends tales to the big screen, but you know, they really wanna make the most money with the least amount of effort, so they just brought back the trio for A New Hope 2.0 to "rinse" the "bad taste" of the prequels out of the fans' mouths. Bleargh. Where's the logic in that? I hope they don't bring KOTOR or the Bane novels or Dawn of the Jedi or Tales of the Jedi to a movie format for this new train wreck of a canon. I'd prefer Legends be canon, thank you very much.
The problem with the previous expanded universe was that far more people had not read them than have. As far as the bulk of the casual audience is concerned there are six movies and MAYBE a Clone Wars TV show. I agree they could have adapted it MCU style, but in the latter case you do not need to have read ''Civil War'' to watch ''Civil War''. Its all completely self contained and built up - which is how a film should be.
Funnily enough they ended up falling into that trap anyway as a lot of very key New Republic, First Order and Resistance lore was contained in the comic books which few have read.
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I actually have a thread on this on in "Sci-Fi and Fantasy" where I give my thoughts. I really would have loved seeing them start at the beginning with Dawn of the Jedi, then work on Tales of the Jedi, KOTOR, and the Bane novels, but you can't break the traditional Star Wars format too much (like a trilogy series) or people get mad, as they saw with the prequels, so that's why they wanted the trio back. And look how that worked out. Again, I cover all this in my thread.
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Oh, that film. There was some potential, but it was just not good. At least it gave us Paul Mcgann. Also the Tardis interior was nice.

Concerning the current series, i like the Doctor, i like the companions, i just find the stories a but underwhelming, not bad , but there were no stand out episodes yet. (Even though the Rosa Parks episode comes close).

Still enjoy it all in all, though.
Yukaphile wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:16 am De-canonizing Legends was just a stupid business move.h.
Eh, I kinda disagree, Besides the Thrawn-trilogy and maybe the Rogue Squadron series, most of the expanded universe was not really good, even before they went wannabe-WH40k with the Yuzzhan Vong. Decanonzing it and then selectively recanonizing stuff was the best decisision they could have made imho. Though i wish they recanonized more than Thrawn. (Kyle Katarn and Mara Jade would have been nice for example. Also the already mentioned Rogue Squadron crew.)
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clearspira wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:36 am
Trooper924 wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:10 am
Durandal_1707 wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:38 am Given how many incels on the Internet have wet dreams about that, I wouldn't take online rumors as anything approaching fact at this point.
Yeah, remember when they were all so sure that Kathleen Kennedy was going to get the boot back in September?

And besides, I looked into it--the rumor comes from a sci-fi magazine and from what I can tell no other source has corroborated it. Looks pretty flimsy.
Kathleen Kennedy WAS in the firing line, the only reason she stayed was because no one wanted the job. They saw just how much controversy it was carrying and said ''thanks but no thanks, Mr Igor.'' By all accounts I've read she is now very much like the Queen: there but not there. Star Wars 9 is now effectively JJ Abrams's gig and no one else.
No, that's just what all the dudebros started saying after their baseless rumor didn't come true.
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Trooper924 wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:54 pm
clearspira wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:36 am
Trooper924 wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:10 am
Durandal_1707 wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:38 am Given how many incels on the Internet have wet dreams about that, I wouldn't take online rumors as anything approaching fact at this point.
Yeah, remember when they were all so sure that Kathleen Kennedy was going to get the boot back in September?

And besides, I looked into it--the rumor comes from a sci-fi magazine and from what I can tell no other source has corroborated it. Looks pretty flimsy.
Kathleen Kennedy WAS in the firing line, the only reason she stayed was because no one wanted the job. They saw just how much controversy it was carrying and said ''thanks but no thanks, Mr Igor.'' By all accounts I've read she is now very much like the Queen: there but not there. Star Wars 9 is now effectively JJ Abrams's gig and no one else.
No, that's just what all the dudebros started saying after their baseless rumor didn't come true.
Cool story, sir.
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clearspira wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:01 pm
Trooper924 wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:54 pm
clearspira wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:36 am
Trooper924 wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:10 am
Durandal_1707 wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:38 am Given how many incels on the Internet have wet dreams about that, I wouldn't take online rumors as anything approaching fact at this point.
Yeah, remember when they were all so sure that Kathleen Kennedy was going to get the boot back in September?

And besides, I looked into it--the rumor comes from a sci-fi magazine and from what I can tell no other source has corroborated it. Looks pretty flimsy.
Kathleen Kennedy WAS in the firing line, the only reason she stayed was because no one wanted the job. They saw just how much controversy it was carrying and said ''thanks but no thanks, Mr Igor.'' By all accounts I've read she is now very much like the Queen: there but not there. Star Wars 9 is now effectively JJ Abrams's gig and no one else.
No, that's just what all the dudebros started saying after their baseless rumor didn't come true.
Cool story, sir.
The truth is indeed very cool.
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Trooper924 wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:34 pm
clearspira wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:01 pm
Trooper924 wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:54 pm
clearspira wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:36 am
Trooper924 wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:10 am
Durandal_1707 wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:38 am Given how many incels on the Internet have wet dreams about that, I wouldn't take online rumors as anything approaching fact at this point.
Yeah, remember when they were all so sure that Kathleen Kennedy was going to get the boot back in September?

And besides, I looked into it--the rumor comes from a sci-fi magazine and from what I can tell no other source has corroborated it. Looks pretty flimsy.
Kathleen Kennedy WAS in the firing line, the only reason she stayed was because no one wanted the job. They saw just how much controversy it was carrying and said ''thanks but no thanks, Mr Igor.'' By all accounts I've read she is now very much like the Queen: there but not there. Star Wars 9 is now effectively JJ Abrams's gig and no one else.
No, that's just what all the dudebros started saying after their baseless rumor didn't come true.
Cool story, sir.
The truth is indeed very cool.
Truth. LOL. The only truth is that your political agenda is showing. I can't think of any of reason why you would think that someone who has delivered two films with the shitty critical acclaim that she has wouldn't be on thin ice. But sure, baseless rumour. :roll:
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Can we keep this political crap to the "News" forum, please?
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englerp wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:56 am
Yukaphile wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:16 am De-canonizing Legends was just a stupid business move.h.
Eh, I kinda disagree, Besides the Thrawn-trilogy and maybe the Rogue Squadron series, most of the expanded universe was not really good, even before they went wannabe-WH40k with the Yuzzhan Vong. Decanonzing it and then selectively recanonizing stuff was the best decisision they could have made imho. Though i wish they recanonized more than Thrawn. (Kyle Katarn and Mara Jade would have been nice for example. Also the already mentioned Rogue Squadron crew.)
Indeed. While I personally hold the Thrawn Trilogy as the best of Star Wars like period, movies included[1], I was not at all sorry to lose a lot of the later dreck like the vong or Crystal Star. (I'd already headcanoned that Survivor's Quest was the last bit of SW and after that, Thrawn Came Back and Did Cool Stuff...!)

[1]Recanonising Thrawn was literally the nucanon's entry fee for my interest where I was concerned - not that it did anything to make me care about anything else, but Thrawn the novel was worth it (and if I squint, I can pretened it's old-canonish.)
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"Most of the EU?" Really? Even stuff like the New Jedi Order series, KOTOR, Dawn of the Jedi, Tales of the Jedi, the Bane novels? Get out of here.
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