How badly is Star Trek Galaxy going to suck?

[Yukaphile]

And yet looked at how they've trashed Trek, Star Wars, ReBoot, and numerous other older franchises when they tried to bring them back because the market has changed? It's horrible! Some would even argue Dragon Ball Super and some anime fit this bill.

[Karha of Honor]

And yet looked at how they've trashed Trek, Star Wars, ReBoot, and numerous other older franchises when they tried to bring them back because the market has changed? It's horrible! Some would even argue Dragon Ball Super and some anime fit this bill.

They did no listen to the market at all with Star Wars. Star Wars was also almost outside of the market as GL's pet who did not care about money till 2013.

How do you trash Trek with all the bad goofy stuff that was already made?

Is Reboot a franchise or you mean the JJverse?

I am not sure what are those numerous other frachises. BSG was very popular.

[clearspira]

Yes. STD is far worse.

Come on now. VOY gave 7 seasons of suck. DISCO has one season.

Who on STD from the main cast has as little charisma as ensign Kim?

You cannot deny the quality of the stunts and fights is like 4 times better.

At least on DISCO no actor was phonning it in.

I could go on and on....

Doesn't that tell you something though? That after only one season people hate it more than any season before it?

Who on the STD main cast has as little charisma as Ensign Kim? Going solely by Chuck's reviews, does the cyborg woman even have a character? And personally, I would take a wooden Kim over Hollywood autism Tilly any day. I find that whenever someone makes a character that I am meant to find endearing, they come off annoying as f-.

I find stunts and fight scenes to be of little importance compared to a decent story.

Who was phoning in their performance in any of the first seasons of the other shows either? Even Chakotay was visibly trying in season 1.

How did you quantify that hate?


If it was really hated it would cancleed. TNG and VIY would get cancelled in today's more competitive tv series market.

The Cyborg chick is not a main character.


Both have some serious story problems...

So stunts do matter.

How do I quantify that hate? Just read this very forum and count the negative comments. Just type Star Trek Discovery into Youtube and see the the thousands of hate videos. Just look at the reviews for the DVD. Finding this information is hardly the quest for the holy grail.

There are plenty of under performing series that make it past season 1 in this day and age. May I remind you that Stargate Universe got two seasons?

They why is she on the bridge? What is the point of her? Again, I would take wooden Harry over a character with zero purpose.

Both have serious story problems, but I would take the Temporal Cold War arc over the magical mushrooms with tendrils that will end the multiverse any day.

Stunts and fights do not matter TO ME, therefore saying that they are a saving grace is irrelevant TO ME. City on the Edge of Forever had one stunt at the start with the cordrazine and the rest was story - and that is widely regarded to be the best episode of Star Trek period.

[Karha of Honor]

Yes. STD is far worse.

Come on now. VOY gave 7 seasons of suck. DISCO has one season.

Who on STD from the main cast has as little charisma as ensign Kim?

You cannot deny the quality of the stunts and fights is like 4 times better.

At least on DISCO no actor was phonning it in.

I could go on and on....

Doesn't that tell you something though? That after only one season people hate it more than any season before it?

Who on the STD main cast has as little charisma as Ensign Kim? Going solely by Chuck's reviews, does the cyborg woman even have a character? And personally, I would take a wooden Kim over Hollywood autism Tilly any day. I find that whenever someone makes a character that I am meant to find endearing, they come off annoying as f-.

I find stunts and fight scenes to be of little importance compared to a decent story.

Who was phoning in their performance in any of the first seasons of the other shows either? Even Chakotay was visibly trying in season 1.

How did you quantify that hate?


If it was really hated it would cancleed. TNG and VIY would get cancelled in today's more competitive tv series market.

The Cyborg chick is not a main character.


Both have some serious story problems...

So stunts do matter.

How do I quantify that hate? Just read this very forum and count the negative comments. Just type Star Trek Discovery into Youtube and see the the thousands of hate videos. Just look at the reviews for the DVD. Finding this information is hardly the quest for the holy grail.

There are plenty of under performing series that make it past season 1 in this day and age. May I remind you that Stargate Universe got two seasons?

They why is she on the bridge? What is the point of her? Again, I would take wooden Harry over a character with zero purpose.

Both have serious story problems, but I would take the Temporal Cold War arc over the magical mushrooms with tendrils that will end the multiverse any day.

Stunts and fights do not matter TO ME, therefore saying that they are a saving grace is irrelevant TO ME. City on the Edge of Forever had one stunt at the start with the cordrazine and the rest was story - and that is widely regarded to be the best episode of Star Trek period.

Reading this forum is useless for that. It's like when on a comic book forum with 50-100 regular users some users were convinced that Mitt Romney fears them. Any giant franchise has nitpickers and subfandoms. I don't buy it that a critical number of people hate DISCO but i will try to keep an open mind.

That was a couple of years before today. SGU.

Remeber early O'Brien, it's a starship, some people will have really minor roles. You have to have a bridge crew and not everyone can have a major role.

Just wait, DISCO only has one season.

[Worffan101]

Probably less than STD, but it's not going to be as good as TNG or DS9. Probably about on par with Voyager--most of Voyager is just beige with stupidity being the only real outliers.

[clearspira]

Yes. STD is far worse.

Come on now. VOY gave 7 seasons of suck. DISCO has one season.

Who on STD from the main cast has as little charisma as ensign Kim?

You cannot deny the quality of the stunts and fights is like 4 times better.

At least on DISCO no actor was phonning it in.

I could go on and on....

Doesn't that tell you something though? That after only one season people hate it more than any season before it?

Who on the STD main cast has as little charisma as Ensign Kim? Going solely by Chuck's reviews, does the cyborg woman even have a character? And personally, I would take a wooden Kim over Hollywood autism Tilly any day. I find that whenever someone makes a character that I am meant to find endearing, they come off annoying as f-.

I find stunts and fight scenes to be of little importance compared to a decent story.

Who was phoning in their performance in any of the first seasons of the other shows either? Even Chakotay was visibly trying in season 1.

How did you quantify that hate?


If it was really hated it would cancleed. TNG and VIY would get cancelled in today's more competitive tv series market.

The Cyborg chick is not a main character.


Both have some serious story problems...

So stunts do matter.

How do I quantify that hate? Just read this very forum and count the negative comments. Just type Star Trek Discovery into Youtube and see the the thousands of hate videos. Just look at the reviews for the DVD. Finding this information is hardly the quest for the holy grail.

There are plenty of under performing series that make it past season 1 in this day and age. May I remind you that Stargate Universe got two seasons?

They why is she on the bridge? What is the point of her? Again, I would take wooden Harry over a character with zero purpose.

Both have serious story problems, but I would take the Temporal Cold War arc over the magical mushrooms with tendrils that will end the multiverse any day.

Stunts and fights do not matter TO ME, therefore saying that they are a saving grace is irrelevant TO ME. City on the Edge of Forever had one stunt at the start with the cordrazine and the rest was story - and that is widely regarded to be the best episode of Star Trek period.

Reading this forum is useless for that. It's like when on a comic book forum with 50-100 regular users some users were convinced that Mitt Romney fears them. Any giant franchise has nitpickers and subfandoms. I don't buy it that a critical number of people hate DISCO but i will try to keep an open mind.

That was a couple of years before today. SGU.

Remeber early O'Brien, it's a starship, some people will have really minor roles. You have to have a bridge crew and not everyone can have a major role.

Just wait, DISCO only has one season.

Why don't you buy that STD is hated? Is it because you like it and thus just don't want to admit that you are the minority? And if you think that STD only has one season, doesn't that mean that you are wrong? Only under performing shows get cancelled.

SGU wasn't long ago enough to disprove the trends of modern TV.

Well, until that day comes, Kim is a better character than cyborg girl.

[Karha of Honor]

Yes. STD is far worse.

Come on now. VOY gave 7 seasons of suck. DISCO has one season.

Who on STD from the main cast has as little charisma as ensign Kim?

You cannot deny the quality of the stunts and fights is like 4 times better.

At least on DISCO no actor was phonning it in.

I could go on and on....

Doesn't that tell you something though? That after only one season people hate it more than any season before it?

Who on the STD main cast has as little charisma as Ensign Kim? Going solely by Chuck's reviews, does the cyborg woman even have a character? And personally, I would take a wooden Kim over Hollywood autism Tilly any day. I find that whenever someone makes a character that I am meant to find endearing, they come off annoying as f-.

I find stunts and fight scenes to be of little importance compared to a decent story.

Who was phoning in their performance in any of the first seasons of the other shows either? Even Chakotay was visibly trying in season 1.

How did you quantify that hate?


If it was really hated it would cancleed. TNG and VIY would get cancelled in today's more competitive tv series market.

The Cyborg chick is not a main character.


Both have some serious story problems...

So stunts do matter.

How do I quantify that hate? Just read this very forum and count the negative comments. Just type Star Trek Discovery into Youtube and see the the thousands of hate videos. Just look at the reviews for the DVD. Finding this information is hardly the quest for the holy grail.

There are plenty of under performing series that make it past season 1 in this day and age. May I remind you that Stargate Universe got two seasons?

They why is she on the bridge? What is the point of her? Again, I would take wooden Harry over a character with zero purpose.

Both have serious story problems, but I would take the Temporal Cold War arc over the magical mushrooms with tendrils that will end the multiverse any day.

Stunts and fights do not matter TO ME, therefore saying that they are a saving grace is irrelevant TO ME. City on the Edge of Forever had one stunt at the start with the cordrazine and the rest was story - and that is widely regarded to be the best episode of Star Trek period.

Reading this forum is useless for that. It's like when on a comic book forum with 50-100 regular users some users were convinced that Mitt Romney fears them. Any giant franchise has nitpickers and subfandoms. I don't buy it that a critical number of people hate DISCO but i will try to keep an open mind.

That was a couple of years before today. SGU.

Remeber early O'Brien, it's a starship, some people will have really minor roles. You have to have a bridge crew and not everyone can have a major role.

Just wait, DISCO only has one season.

Why don't you buy that STD is hated? Is it because you like it and thus just don't want to admit that you are the minority? And if you think that STD only has one season, doesn't that mean that you are wrong? Only under performing shows get cancelled.

SGU wasn't long ago enough to disprove the trends of modern TV.

Well, until that day comes, Kim is a better character than cyborg girl.

A minority in what community? On what level of fandom?

They renewed it for season 2.

SGU is almost 10 years ago.

Oh come on, that is a strawman and you know it. You should compare Kim to a major DISCO character.

[Riedquat]

What they said. It's trying to be realistic, in today's world, in which human beings are awful, shitty creatures, justice is a lie, love is dead, and soon there's gonna be more war that kills good people and leaves the disgusting people alive. Do we really wanna see that reflected in our entertainment?

Humans have always been vile and shitty. It doesn't take much digging through history to find something from any time that should turn the stomach of any half-decent person. Nowdays though we've developed means of hearing about it on a vast scale, and being able to inflict it on a vast scale. I've not got a great respect for the human race but given that, and our past, the fact that we're stilll alive at all demonstrates that we're not all bad. Most people are IMO vile in their greedy short-termist materialism, and utter saints in what they'll do for someone who really needs it.

[PerrySimm]

IIRC there was some matter at hand concerning the new Live-Action Star Trek Show?

Do we know something new since the last big conversation?

The only information that was readily available from this week was that there was a CBS keynote address at a media conference. If anything the news from that earnings call is that CBS is a little too willing to pat themselves on the back for not joining hulu.

Also, membership numbers released for CBS All Access will now be laundered along with Showtime subscribers.

[Yukaphile]

What they said. It's trying to be realistic, in today's world, in which human beings are awful, shitty creatures, justice is a lie, love is dead, and soon there's gonna be more war that kills good people and leaves the disgusting people alive. Do we really wanna see that reflected in our entertainment?

Humans have always been vile and shitty. It doesn't take much digging through history to find something from any time that should turn the stomach of any half-decent person. Nowdays though we've developed means of hearing about it on a vast scale, and being able to inflict it on a vast scale. I've not got a great respect for the human race but given that, and our past, the fact that we're stilll alive at all demonstrates that we're not all bad. Most people are IMO vile in their greedy short-termist materialism, and utter saints in what they'll do for someone who really needs it.

Exactly. But the 1990s was different. The economy was doing well, there were not quite as many social problems as today, and our military was at its lowest alert with the end of the Cold War. I miss those times.