Janeway vs. Ransom?

[CharlesPhipps]

I can understand desperate men and women but I also point out that murdering people before cannibalizing them for fuel is a pretty far bar to fall behind. They were also doing this to get home rather than as a pure survival situation.

[Yukaphile]

That's ironic given you've said of WWII rapists before that falls under the category of "war is hell" rather than people making conscious decisions related to more than just battlefield rage, such as economics (they came from very poor homes and saw their enemy had way more than they did), and that they were raised to be very misogynistic. Those combinations do not work well together, as we see when they began treating women and girls like cattle.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Watching the review. After concluding part 2/3, a main issue of Chuck's seems to be the unilateral admonishing between captains.

As far as hypocrisy, I'm a bit hazy on title referencing on each issue. But the episode w/ the Kardashian doctor's ill-gotten medical knowledge? I had enough trouble with the exhibited moral dilemma in that episode to begin with. I could not for the life of me stand how relevant and pertinent medical knowledge was being thrown out as if it was some contemptible witness in a trial that a judge orders to dismiss form jury proceedings.

This hardly is enough to exonerate Janeway as far as the hypocrisy claim, but yeah I'm working on getting to the middle of this.

[Yukaphile]

Do you mean the Cardassian doctor? Because... there are no Kardashians in Star Trek.

[CharlesPhipps]

That's ironic given you've said of WWII rapists before that falls under the category of "war is hell" rather than people making conscious decisions related to more than just battlefield rage, such as economics (they came from very poor homes and saw their enemy had way more than they did), and that they were raised to be very misogynistic. Those combinations do not work well together, as we see when they began treating women and girls like cattle.

Honestly, Yukaphile, you came off as pretty disturbing when you talked at length about all those poor German women and the Russian atrocities. I often talk at great length about how the Allies have to confront their war crimes but mentioning the Soviet Union's rampage divorced of the context of a vengeance killing is a bit like talking about the Bosnian Wars and talking about how those filthy Serbs were savages. Divorced of context, it sounds like apologia for the Nazis.

Your above statement is also bizarre as it acts like the reason the Soviets weren't rampaging through Axis territory was economics versus....the fact the Nazis murdered 27,000,000 of them. Or, in simple terms, four times the size of the Holocaust.

You don't think that revenge played a role?

[Yukaphile]

I just think it's awful that so many never faced international justice for their crimes.

[CharlesPhipps]

Yeah, I think Stalin getting to keep Eastern Europe was pretty bad as a whole. But the struggle to make a better world is an ongoing process.

Getting back to Janeway, I do think she devoted more effort to taking down Ransom than most of her efforts to get the crew home.

[Mindworm]

Do you mean the Cardassian doctor? Because... there are no Kardashians in Star Trek.

What's to say that the Cardassians aren't simply descendants of Kim's bum implants which have evolved into sentience, hmmm?

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Do you mean the Cardassian doctor? Because... there are no Kardashians in Star Trek.

What's to say that the Cardassians aren't simply descendants of Kim's bum implants which have evolved into sentience, hmmm?

More likely than the dinosaur people.

[Madner Kami]

Do you mean the Cardassian doctor? Because... there are no Kardashians in Star Trek.

What's to say that the Cardassians aren't simply descendants of Kim's bum implants which have evolved into sentience, hmmm?

More likely than the dinosaur people.

How so? There has more time passed between T-Rex and Stegosaurus existing, than there has been between T-Rex and Humans. Non-Avian Dinosaurs ruled the world for 175 billion years. That is a heck of a lot of time to develop the mental capacity needed for space flight, especially given the diversification we can observe in the fossil records. Granted, an advanced civilization would likely leave more traces in the record, but then again, it took humans roughly 315,000 years to get into space after the first humans appearing in the fossil record. If you want to be more strict, human technological development really only took off about 15,000 years ago.

I mean, it's highly unlikely as far as we know, but there's plenty of room for a lost civilization. Heck, we needed about 3,000 to 3,400 years to find a city that has left lots of traces in history and was almost constantly settled ever since it left it's mark in Homer's Troi. Maybe we really just don't see the obvious or maybe they just had a lower impact on their environment than we do, for some reason.