South Africa preparing to go full Zimbabwe...

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Re: South Africa preparing to go full Zimbabwe...

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I stand by my statement.

Which is that it's not an objective good that white people are the land owners. Them owning 90% of the land in Africa's farmland is part of why the wealth distribution in the region is so off-kilter. It's just you can't take the land because it's part of an entire economic network that builds it.

The thing is that I'm stating that "blacks" being the landowners isn't going to necessarily help things either. The systematic poverty of the region (primarily black) is one that farming isn't a solution to anymore because the profitability of farming is no longer something that can be done individually by small farms.

We see it in the United States. Farming is now massive, industrialized, and corporate.

I believe reparations and government help to assist the poor is absolutely a good thing. I'm just pointing out this particular one is not helping and black South Africans should be helped in other ways, perhaps support for technical fields or businesses or the creation of black owned corporate farms.
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CharlesPhipps wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:33 pmI believe reparations and government help to assist the poor is absolutely a good thing. I'm just pointing out this particular one is not helping and black South Africans should be helped in other ways, perhaps support for technical fields or businesses or the creation of black owned corporate farms.
You mean, you want to tax the income of those who have the money and use said money to help those who can't help themselves, while not pulling out the rug under everyone's feet? What an outragous and racist concept!!!!111
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J!! wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:19 am
Antiboyscout wrote: let's hope the land gets back to white hands quickly and painlessly.
That last bit sounded a lot more racist than you probably intended, may want to rephrase.
So Charles lamenting that the successful farming corps and banks are all white owned and that the new black farmers that will receive the redistributed land will fail is what?
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This is AFRICA. Land of blacks. Whites have the most power here, because we're a majority. Same should hold true to Africa. Simply out of balance. Otherwise, shut the hell up.
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Yukaphile wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:26 pm This is AFRICA. Land of blacks. Whites have the most power here, because we're a majority. Same should hold true to Africa. Simply out of balance. Otherwise, shut the hell up.
Do I really need to point out how idiotic a statement that is? Ever heard of Egypt? Libya? Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco and Mauritania? Africa is the second largest continent of this planet and home to about 16% of the world's population. Somewhere between 1,250 and 2,100 languages are spoken there. It's home to at least 26 different major ethnic groups. It's not a "Land of the Blacks". Fuck me sideways...
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I'd love a way for people to share the planet equally. But as we are human beings, that's never going to happen. Not in my lifetime.
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Yukaphile wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:26 pm This is AFRICA. Land of blacks. Whites have the most power here, because we're a majority. Same should hold true to Africa. Simply out of balance. Otherwise, shut the hell up.
Whites are the majority so they're in charge? Tell that to the Academy Awards or every left wing social commentator of the current year...
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Madner Kami wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:56 pm
Yukaphile wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:26 pm This is AFRICA. Land of blacks. Whites have the most power here, because we're a majority. Same should hold true to Africa. Simply out of balance. Otherwise, shut the hell up.
Do I really need to point out how idiotic a statement that is? Ever heard of Egypt? Libya? Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco and Mauritania? Africa is the second largest continent of this planet and home to about 16% of the world's population. Somewhere between 1,250 and 2,100 languages are spoken there. It's home to at least 26 different major ethnic groups. It's not a "Land of the Blacks". Fuck me sideways, are you really that stupid?
Blacks (especially in the US) love to appropriate North African (especially Egyptian) culture and history as their own.
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Black as a concept exists primarily in South Africa. At least in Africa.

Outside of South Africa, they look at you strangely because group A# has shit to do with Group b#.

Or to use this forum's vocabulary, "Killmonger confused the fuck out of the nobility of Wakanda because they had no idea what the hell he was talking about when he spoke about "his" people because they didn't think of Africans as their people since they thought of themselves as Wakandans first and only."
Antiboyscout wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:06 pmSo Charles lamenting that the successful farming corps and banks are all white owned and that the new black farmers that will receive the redistributed land will fail is what?
Accurate?
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Yukaphile wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:29 pm Yeah, it implies that "whites" are too good for the shithole that Africa is, isn't it? Yet I don't think CharlesPhipps is like that. This is how our language is just... so archaic, so primitive and clumsy. It's not just articulating what you mean, it's what you don't mean or subconsciously mean that others pick up on. Fuck, I wish we had telepathy instead. Just sharing of pure feelings and direct thoughts. If only.
No, it implies that whites do not have any right to land that has been in their families for centuries*, that they deserve to be dispossessed, and that the people who created South Africa can pretty much be cast aside, no problem. You know very well that I was referring to the anti-white sentiment behind that statement, but apparently being against whites is A-OK and it's not racist if whites are the targets.

*Most of the black population of South Africa came from surrounding areas, and, other than the Zulus, have not been there as long as the Boers and Afrikaners have, so it is not really accurate to view it as if they were the rightful owners whose lands were stolen by European colonists.
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