How badly is Star Trek Galaxy going to suck?

[Yukaphile]

@clearspira Perhaps that was an exaggeration, but I get angry, damn it. The world sucks.

[Yukaphile]

This is all off topic anyway. Can we get back to the topic at hand?

[Karha of Honor]

Yes. STD is far worse.

Come on now. VOY gave 7 seasons of suck. DISCO has one season.

Who on STD from the main cast has as little charisma as ensign Kim?

You cannot deny the quality of the stunts and fights is like 4 times better.

At least on DISCO no actor was phonning it in.

I could go on and on....

Doesn't that tell you something though? That after only one season people hate it more than any season before it?

Who on the STD main cast has as little charisma as Ensign Kim? Going solely by Chuck's reviews, does the cyborg woman even have a character? And personally, I would take a wooden Kim over Hollywood autism Tilly any day. I find that whenever someone makes a character that I am meant to find endearing, they come off annoying as f-.

I find stunts and fight scenes to be of little importance compared to a decent story.

Who was phoning in their performance in any of the first seasons of the other shows either? Even Chakotay was visibly trying in season 1.

How did you quantify that hate?


If it was really hated it would cancleed. TNG and VIY would get cancelled in today's more competitive tv series market.

The Cyborg chick is not a main character.


Both have some serious story problems...

So stunts do matter.

How do I quantify that hate? Just read this very forum and count the negative comments. Just type Star Trek Discovery into Youtube and see the the thousands of hate videos. Just look at the reviews for the DVD. Finding this information is hardly the quest for the holy grail.

There are plenty of under performing series that make it past season 1 in this day and age. May I remind you that Stargate Universe got two seasons?

They why is she on the bridge? What is the point of her? Again, I would take wooden Harry over a character with zero purpose.

Both have serious story problems, but I would take the Temporal Cold War arc over the magical mushrooms with tendrils that will end the multiverse any day.

Stunts and fights do not matter TO ME, therefore saying that they are a saving grace is irrelevant TO ME. City on the Edge of Forever had one stunt at the start with the cordrazine and the rest was story - and that is widely regarded to be the best episode of Star Trek period.

Reading this forum is useless for that. It's like when on a comic book forum with 50-100 regular users some users were convinced that Mitt Romney fears them. Any giant franchise has nitpickers and subfandoms. I don't buy it that a critical number of people hate DISCO but i will try to keep an open mind.

That was a couple of years before today. SGU.

Remeber early O'Brien, it's a starship, some people will have really minor roles. You have to have a bridge crew and not everyone can have a major role.

Just wait, DISCO only has one season.

Why don't you buy that STD is hated? Is it because you like it and thus just don't want to admit that you are the minority? And if you think that STD only has one season, doesn't that mean that you are wrong? Only under performing shows get cancelled.

SGU wasn't long ago enough to disprove the trends of modern TV.

Well, until that day comes, Kim is a better character than cyborg girl.

A minority in what community? On what level of fandom?

They renewed it for season 2.

SGU is almost 10 years ago.

Oh come on, that is a strawman and you know it. You should compare Kim to a major DISCO character.

You are the minority in the Trek fandom for liking STD. I don't know how many times I can say that, and just because you are unwilling to take forums and comments at face value is irrelevant.

I know they renewed it for a second season. But why did YOU say ''Just wait, DISCO only has one season.'' It makes no sense.

You are picking hairs because I have given you a very good example of a crap show not getting cancelled immediately and are now trying to worm your way out of it.

OK, then, i'll compare him to Micheal. I find her to be an annoying, smug, condescending and easily forgiven Designated Hero who committed treason on bullshit evidence and then saved the life of space Hitler just to ease her guilty conscience. Kim on the other hand is a socially awkward and naive geek that is clearly in the closet - that's it. That's his whole list of faults. If I was captain of my own starship, I would pick Kim over Micheal every single time.

Why should itkae it at face value? Studios took comic con reactions at face value till they got burned.

If you are comparing the amount of content matters.

Did i say no bad shows get renewed?

Kim stays an ensign forever. The writer did not care about his character period.

but whatever it is you feel right now is just the sobering after a party that everyone partied too hard, forgetting that there's still a tomorrow.

What do you mean?

Remember Francis Fukuyama? That is something that could only happen in the aftermath of a conflict that defined the lives of several generations. People thought that the USSR collapsing meant the end of a world of conflict and that democracy and capitalism are now going to start their undeniable march to all-encompasing peace, prosperity and happyness for everyone. What people especially in the West forgot was, that the collapse of the USSR was tuesday for the world at large. An eventful tuesday no doubt, but still a tuesday and that the triumph of democracy and capitalism could indeed not end in peace and happyness, but economic and socio-economic collapse for quite a lot of people, was on nobody's radar.
I grew up in the aftermath of that tuesday, Eastern Germany to be specific. We woke up on wednesday and realized, that we had no money and no jobs and a future ahead of us, that wasn't all sunshine, lollipops and rainbows and we are still dealing with the fallout of that tuesday and Eastern Germany is one of the regions that got off relatively well. De-population, wide-spread alcoholism and a rather shakey economic foundation are still effecting us today (nicely playing into the re-awakening of the political right) and are going to be a problem for decades to come. It only gets worse the further east from Germany's borders you go, even if things are slowly improving for most of our neighbours.

Similarly, the increasing problems with Islam, argueably religiousity at large (see russian orthodox church meddling in socio-political affairs as an example) and terrorism were things that were written on the horizon and in some regions, were things of daily life, but nobody had them on their radar, so nothing was done about it at large. Then 9/11 ended the 90s decidedly and suddenly the world looked quite different, even to those who had rainbow glasses on their noses.

It's not pefect but we are chugging along towards Fukuyamaland in many regions of the world.

The world looked the same after 911 but the neocons wanted war. They could have just paid informants, hunted him down and went about their business.

[Yukaphile]

Didn't Michael sleep with a Klingon just to prove she's not racist? Damn, that's... such a low bar for the franchise I can't even imagine it getting worse than that.

[Karha of Honor]

Didn't Michael sleep with a Klingon just to prove she's not racist? Damn, that's... such a low bar for the franchise I can't even imagine it getting worse than that.

In which episode?

[Worffan101]

Didn't Michael sleep with a Klingon just to prove she's not racist? Damn, that's... such a low bar for the franchise I can't even imagine it getting worse than that.

She had to sleep with a guy who was sort of a klingon AND THEN HAVE IT POINTED OUT TO HER THAT HE WAS SORT OF A KLINGON to have a last-minute epiphany and realize that genocide is bad.

THen he rode off into the sunset with his rapist. And no, I will never forgive Discovery for that.

[Yukaphile]

... WHAT THE FLIPPING FUCK?

[CharlesPhipps]

... WHAT THE FLIPPING FUCK?

Its....semi accurate.

Discovery was very badly written.

[Karha of Honor]

... WHAT THE FLIPPING FUCK?

Its....semi accurate.

Discovery was very badly written.

It can stand in the line.

TNG had a lot of bad so did ENT, even DS 9 had some bad in it. Voyager...

[Worffan101]

... WHAT THE FLIPPING FUCK?

You know how Ash is, at the end of the story, Ash but in the modified body of Voq?

OK. So basically Ash's mind is the one that remembers being raped by L'Rell, right? Has those flashbacks that give him traumatic episodes when he remembers her Klingorc tits?

OK. He goes off to do stuff with her at the end of the series, proverbially riding off into the sunset. And this is presented as a positive. Alex Kurtzman, in an interview, referred to the episode where this happens as "kind of our #metoo moment".

Alex Kurtzman is not a very smart man.