Senators introduce bill to make lynching a federal hate crime

[CharlesPhipps]

Too bad they didn't do this during the civil rights era, so they could get those Klan types who got off with jury nullification with something besides violating their victims' civil rights. Would have been a lot more timely back then, too, considering that it isn't nearly as much of a thing now as it was back then.

Pretty much my view. Mind you, the HUAC (House Unamerican Activities Committee) was supposed to get rid of the Klan but people like Nixon on it decided to go after movie writers instead.

[Antiboyscout]

I kidnap and abuse a white person while yelling f*ck white people. Hate crime?

Yes, that's pretty much the idea. Mind you, the idea that hate crime legislation isn't necessary or useful depends on the idea you believe there aren't groups actively engaged in ideological warfare against other races.

I think the Chicago kidnappers were charged with hate crimes because the victim was mentally handicapped not that he was white despite the anti-white things said in the video.

[CharlesPhipps]

I don't think we're in any danger of anti-white groups being given a free pass. Historically, they've been attacked consistently and relentlessly.

Mind you, living in Kentucky where the Klan lives and breathes, I think it's fine to say the reverse needs more worrying about.

[Antiboyscout]

I don't think we're in any danger of anti-white groups being given a free pass. Historically, they've been attacked consistently and relentlessly.

Mind you, living in Kentucky where the Klan lives and breathes, I think it's fine to say the reverse needs more worrying about.

There are more members of the Black Panthers than members of the Klan.
Considering blacks are at most 15% of the population compared to whites at 50 something...

No actually

[CharlesPhipps]

I don't think we're in any danger of anti-white groups being given a free pass. Historically, they've been attacked consistently and relentlessly.

Mind you, living in Kentucky where the Klan lives and breathes, I think it's fine to say the reverse needs more worrying about.

There are more members of the Black Panthers than members of the Klan.
Considering blacks are at most 15% of the population compared to whites at 50 something...

No actually

I suggest you come down to Kentucky, see the thousands of graves from the opiod crisis, meet with the white supremacy gangs that deal the drugs as well as kill anyone who gets in their way, and then talk to me about which is more dangerous.

This isn't internet argument but real life.

This happened a couple of blocks from me.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/26/us/kentu ... index.html

[LittleRaven]

Both of you are right, of course.

The Klan itself is all but extinct. The pathetic remains of a once-powerful national organization now resemble a bad reality TV show. Calling them a threat to anyone is ridiculous - your shower is infinity more likely to cause you harm.

But the ideology that drove the Klan - tribal, violent, and based in white-supremacy - that lives on. It has changed with the times and found new expression throughout the decades, but it remains capable of terrible acts and appears to be undergoing something of a Renaissance.

[CharlesPhipps]

Eh, the distinction is without difference as while David Duke's organization has splintered into hundreds of smaller groups, those hundreds of smaller groups:

1. Include many actual criminal organizations that are powerful and numerous. There's tens of thousands of members of them in Kentucky and their groups have direct links to the Klan.
2. Are active and operate in the open. People who fly the stars and bars, wear swastika tatooss, and actively recruit are hardly noticeable down here.

I think people who live outside of the rural South have this stupid idea that Neo-Nazis and the Klan are this thing that long since went away. They're idiots. They never went away and are actively engaged in their usual horrors.

That's not even touching the LEGAL Klan branches in the Christian Identity movement (Religious White Supremacy) and semi-legal militias. Or as we call them, "The cults and the nutjobs." That's not including the white supremecist 1% biker gangs that aren't related to the Klan but do business with them.

How public is it? This law only happened this year.

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/n ... 003010002/

[LittleRaven]

Sure. I recognize that you are using 'the Klan' as shorthand for 'a whole bunch of nasty characters that are tied up in crime and white supremacy.' And I get why you're using it that way. It's perfectly understandable. But 'the Klan' is still an actual, real organization, and Antiboyscout is right when he labels it a tiny, pathetic one.

[CharlesPhipps]

Sure. I recognize that you are using 'the Klan' as shorthand for 'a whole bunch of nasty characters that are tied up in crime and white supremacy.' And I get why you're using it that way. It's perfectly understandable. But 'the Klan' is still an actual, real organization, and Antiboyscout is right when he labels it a tiny, pathetic one.

I'm stating that said nasty organizations are usually directly founded by a former (or even existing) member of The Klan. David Duke broke up the KKK organization due to the fact his "soft style" was disliked by a large number of the extremists in the extremist organization. Hence, many of them formed branch groups.

Basically, I'm saying that while the KKK itself is very small. KKK branch groups are not at all such and it's not a bad thing to simply say they're all the Klan. Which means it's NOT small and broken, just decentralized.

[Antiboyscout]

Sure. I recognize that you are using 'the Klan' as shorthand for 'a whole bunch of nasty characters that are tied up in crime and white supremacy.' And I get why you're using it that way. It's perfectly understandable. But 'the Klan' is still an actual, real organization, and Antiboyscout is right when he labels it a tiny, pathetic one.

I'm stating that said nasty organizations are usually directly founded by a former (or even existing) member of The Klan. David Duke broke up the KKK organization due to the fact his "soft style" was disliked by a large number of the extremists in the extremist organization. Hence, many of them formed branch groups.

Basically, I'm saying that while the KKK itself is very small. KKK branch groups are not at all such and it's not a bad thing to simply say they're all the Klan. Which means it's NOT small and broken, just decentralized.

There are more black nationalist organizations than Klan affiliates, and if you're going to include drug dealing street gangs then BOY do I have some news for you.