VOY: Someone To Watch Over Me

[bronnt]

She's the only one who was de-borgified while having been assimilated as a child. By all means, she should've been in the position of Dune's Alia. Born with the knowledge of a thousand lives, but lacking an adult self.

Paris trying to talk Harry out of pursuing her should have asked, "Do you really think this woman has the emotional maturity to consent to an adult relationship?" That was only further driven home when she was like, "Sure, I've heard about sex, let's do that."

As for this episode, I really like the story as it's focused on the Doctor, but I'm always struck by the lack of imagination when it comes to romance subplots. It's distant in the future, so why do they still have an idea of dating that involves the same limited concepts of the 1960s?

They listed Seven's interests, the things she likes and is looking for in a partner, within the episode. None of those included pool, dancing, or French cuisine. So of course, they're going to visit the French Poolhall and dance for their first date, even though the Holodeck provides nearly limitless options, right?. Of course, the real reason they went there is because they already had that set.

Still, why even this intimate and romantic setting (complete with Tom and Doctor as an audience) for a first date between two people who've never interacted before? Don't people try to get to know each other first before having a fancy dinner like this? Grab a cup of coffee or tea in the galley and try to make some small talk first. Then you just need your mess hall set, and you don't have to dig up Sandrine's from wherever it was stashed since it last showed up in Season 3.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

To play devil's advocate I guess, Seven at this time was being portrayed more like a girl in a woman's body whereas once they ditched her silver catsuit she became the hardass we know and love later on. Maybe even Kim thought twice about it.

I'd hope so. The way she was acting, like she's got the emotional age of a 10 year old, that makes that whole situation squicky. Of course, that's when Harry was actually determined to pursue her, really adding to the squick, and once she grew up and gained some self-confidence and was more socially adjusted, he lost interest. It really makes me wonder how much of Harry's warped sexuality was intentional by the part of the writers.

So, was it ever established just how long 7 had spent as a drone? Because as I recall, when The Borg assimilate children, they shove them into a maturation chamber to accelerate their growth. In which case, she might not actually be much older than 10 when we first meet her.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Seven_of_Nine

According to that it was 18 years.

My impression was that she was distinctive as a Borg drone due to being so young when they captured her, but I guess i wouldn't be able to explain why she would be different from other kids that you mentioned, which the Borg most likely assimilated plenty of lol.

I guess she is very much different than people that are assimilated after they have already matured.

She's the only one who was de-borgified while having been assimilated as a child. By all means, she should've been in the position of Dune's Alia. Born with the knowledge of a thousand lives, but lacking an adult self.

YES

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

She's the only one who was de-borgified while having been assimilated as a child. By all means, she should've been in the position of Dune's Alia. Born with the knowledge of a thousand lives, but lacking an adult self.

Paris trying to talk Harry out of pursuing her should have asked, "Do you really think this woman has the emotional maturity to consent to an adult relationship?" That was only further driven home when she was like, "Sure, I've heard about sex, let's do that."

As for this episode, I really like the story as it's focused on the Doctor, but I'm always struck by the lack of imagination when it comes to romance subplots. It's distant in the future, so why do they still have an idea of dating that involves the same limited concepts of the 1960s?

They listed Seven's interests, the things she likes and is looking for in a partner, within the episode. None of those included pool, dancing, or French cuisine. So of course, they're going to visit the French Poolhall and dance for their first date, even though the Holodeck provides nearly limitless options, right?. Of course, the real reason they went there is because they already had that set.

Still, why even this intimate and romantic setting (complete with Tom and Doctor as an audience) for a first date between two people who've never interacted before? Don't people try to get to know each other first before having a fancy dinner like this? Grab a cup of coffee or tea in the galley and try to make some small talk first. Then you just need your mess hall set, and you don't have to dig up Sandrine's from wherever it was stashed since it last showed up in Season 3.

Actually this kind of constricted exhibition of conventional dating standards doesn't stop at the 1960's. Extroverts clumsily trying to teach introverts to swim is timeless and will probably persist to the future.

[G-Man]

Whats up with casual racism in many of these reviews? I really enjoy most of his reviews, but the racism is getting a bit tiresome. Every time Chuck makes a comments on blacks or asians or something he yammers on about how not racist he is. In this video he prayed that he didn't think he saw a black or asian in some other TV show because that would be racist??? No one thinks that way. The fact that he thinks non-whites are so sensitive they would attack him for thinking he saw them in a different movie is unsettling. The reviews are much better when we cut out the racist parts.

(1) Who said he is worried about a non-white person accusing him of racism? Could be another white person doing it.

(2) You've certainly proven that Chuck has nothing to worry about regarding people being overly sensitive.

(3) I took it as a joke. Lighten up.

I mean, to me, some white people look the same, generic, not just ethnic minorities. I felt that when I first saw Enterprise. What does that say about me?

I don't think it says anything that you need to worry about. Some people aren't good with faces. It's the sort of thing I might needle someone about if I were in a mood to be snarky toward them, but in earnest I would not worry that it says anything negative about your character.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

(1) Who said he is worried about a non-white person accusing him of racism? Could be another white person doing it.

This is kinda what I interjected, but really the whole joke was more addressing one's own self-conscience.

[FaxModem1]

Rewatched this episode due to the review. It reminded me of another missed opportunity with the show. All the side characters and their stories that we really missed out on. I want to see what happened to Chapman, as he mostly seemed to just be rather meek and squeamish, and what happened to him after his date. Was he just someone who couldn't handle being on such a date?

And Voyager has brought up other characters in such situations. We hear about the Delaney Sisters, and see them once, but why couldn't we occasionally see their side stories?

What about the three crew members from Good Shepard, why can't we see more of them?

How about those Maquis from Voyager's season 1 finale, and seeing how they're doing five years down the road, and fully integrated into the crew?

This is actually one of the reasons the video game, Star Trek Voyager: Elite Force, works so well. We sort of see what it's like to be one of the nobodies on the ship in their day to day lives, and enjoy the interactions between them. We even see some guest stars reprising their roles, such as seeing Chell as one of the members of the Hazard Team.

I guess I was one of those people(and still am), who just loved the concept of seeing the crew of Voyager just shooting the shit and what a normal day was for them, as they became more of a community.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Character-wise I was pretty happy with what was provided in the show. The crew was much smaller than Enterprise, and the imperative to get home on a continuous voyage accentuated the claustrophobia nicely.

[FaxModem1]

Character-wise I was pretty happy with what was provided in the show. The crew was much smaller than Enterprise, and the imperative to get home on a continuous voyage accentuated the claustrophobia nicely.

I think it's just sad that we don't get more of their community. DS9 took advantage of their recurring cast, giving us storylines about Rom, Leeta, Eddington, Nog, even Morn got a story. You felt like you knew the station's populace to an extent. We should of had that with Voyager, where after a few years, you knew them as well as you knew the population of Mayberry from Andy Griffith.

Instead, if a random crew member appeared in more than one episode, like Carey for instance, it seemed to be noteworthy.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Character-wise I was pretty happy with what was provided in the show. The crew was much smaller than Enterprise, and the imperative to get home on a continuous voyage accentuated the claustrophobia nicely.

I think it's just sad that we don't get more of their community. DS9 took advantage of their recurring cast, giving us storylines about Rom, Leeta, Eddington, Nog, even Morn got a story. You felt like you knew the station's populace to an extent. We should of had that with Voyager, where after a few years, you knew them as well as you knew the population of Mayberry from Andy Griffith.

Instead, if a random crew member appeared in more than one episode, like Carey for instance, it seemed to be noteworthy.

But what I'm saying is that the premise of TNG and DS9 are built for a zoo of people. This was a very tight ship in comparison, and I imagine there wasn't much going on with the more limited crew.

I've seen the issue of marginalized Maquis plotting here and there, including with Chuck. I'm not inclined to disagree considering that hologram novela training program episode was probably my favorite.

[Makeshift Python]

The thing about VOYAGER is that because the ship is so small and that there’s no transfers going on, you’d assume we get more recurring characters a lot more than previous shows. But that never really happened, because the writers didn’t care about their show anyway.