What is Your Opinion on The Last Jedi?

[CharlesPhipps]

Where's that quote from?

It was repeated a lot on TVtropes.org's forums post movie launch. I agreed with the sentiment.

[CharlesPhipps]

I'd say it proves the need to keep Legends canon. Give the fans a little something so it doesn't feel as if you're raping the franchise for profit.

Star Wars EU was my life for 10 years. Maybe 15.

At the end, though, when they had Jaina as Queen of the Space Nazis and murder her brother with another dead and the galaxy slaughtered by 350 trillion.

I was like...yeah, let's go to some place not horrifying.

[Yukaphile]

I just want the Yuuzhan Vong back, but these control freaks at Lucasfilm are saying they will NOT bring back beings "void to the Force" again, so that rules out the Vong and KOTOR 2. I hate them.

[CharlesPhipps]

I just want the Yuuzhan Vong back, but these control freaks at Lucasfilm are saying they will NOT bring back beings "void to the Force" again, so that rules out the Vong and KOTOR 2. I hate them.

You could do a bunch of pain worshiping Space Aztecs with Crab armor and snakes.

Just, you know, don't try and undermine the entire mythical and religious basis for your franchise by making the villains OP.

[Karha of Honor]

I’d peg Last Jedi as a movie about the futility of upholding the structures of the past and the need to learn from the past while placing faith in the next generation to forge a better future.

In which light the vocal vitriol directed at the film demonstrates the need for that message very well.

What institutions are those exactly?

Why all this faith in the youngins? It's perfectly understandable that people turn inwards and try to make the lives of their kids as easy as it can be made when confronted with the corrupted institutions and revleation after revelation of high level misdeeds, but this is the softest generation ever.

How would you react to a Star Wars film being about the returning to the Gold Standard and free trade?

I'd say it proves the need to keep Legends canon. Give the fans a little something so it doesn't feel as if you're raping the franchise for profit.

Raping for profit? More like choking Star Wars to death paying zero attention to how it feels.

The idea that they think that bringing in 2010s progressive politics leads to higher profit is insane.

More like they hoped the fanbase will eat up the bs they cooked up after they ate up their New Hope remake.

[Yukaphile]

I keep saying over and over, that's the cynical corporate mindset with their study groups which show younger people, which they're trying to appeal to, are more liberal, so they're trying to be "trendy" with their liberal politics they know nothing about. I'm not a fan of Trump, and even I think trying to insert an allegory to "Make the Klingons Glorious Again!" is... about as unsubtle as you can get. It's pandering, and I hate pandering.

Given how much I love Babylon 5 now that I've finally delved deep into it, I am so happy B5 isn't getting the Star Wars and Star Trek treatment. It should be about more timeless human issues, and if you wanna call out issues of class, racism, sexism, or specific human flaws, fine. But make it a metaphor. Otherwise, you're just going to piss people off.

[CharlesPhipps]

I find the idea of a reboot of a classic series being "rape" to be somewhat fan hyperbole.

Star Wars rebooted and retconned its history constantly when it was still Legends.

Do you know who cared about making it all fit?

Kevin J. Anderson.

Not the guy who usually gets props for it.

[Wargriffin]

Here's the thing the Vong really weren't that out there

Creatures being "immune"/ highly resistant to the force had popped up here and there

Jabba's species is outright immune to the mind trick. 'Then again even Obiwan says it useful on the weak minded... and notes that trying to use in on Han is waste of time

Thrawn's favored pets Ysalamir create force neutral fields to hide form force sensitive predators


The Vong were just a militant race whose whole scthick revolved around the fact you couldn't sense them and they shrugged off the more conventional force attack powers

then down side is it made Lightning the go too attack of all Jedi which was legends problem Everybody kept either trying to work in the confines of the Light side/ Dark side or wanted to say fuck it I want to use whatever power I want and throwing lightning is BADASS!

[Karha of Honor]

I keep saying over and over, that's the cynical corporate mindset with their study groups which show younger people, which they're trying to appeal to, are more liberal, so they're trying to be "trendy" with their liberal politics they know nothing about. I'm not a fan of Trump, and even I think trying to insert an allegory to "Make the Klingons Glorious Again!" is... about as unsubtle as you can get. It's pandering, and I hate pandering.

Given how much I love Babylon 5 now that I've finally delved deep into it, I am so happy B5 isn't getting the Star Wars and Star Trek treatment. It should be about more timeless human issues, and if you wanna call out issues of class, racism, sexism, or specific human flaws, fine. But make it a metaphor. Otherwise, you're just going to piss people off.

A critical mass does not know the proper fucking definitions and contradict themselves anyways.

Trek Discovery season 1 is great little right wing show.

[Yukaphile]

I read somewhere they wanted to more properly "reboot" the series, but George Lucas's contract insisted they keep his six movies canon and untouched. Sounds true.