How does MeToo mesh with the legalise prostitution movement?

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Yukaphile wrote: Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:57 pm Yes. I see any gender differences as minor and trivial, and mostly socially ingrained, from culture and early childhood.
Would you say that if your contry was at war and your country was invaded?
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jadenova wrote: Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:03 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Wed Dec 26, 2018 4:34 am She's all for penalizing men as customers but not women as workers. Such policies are coined as Scandinavian as they have gone that route with prostitution.
What about women as customers and men as workers?
Good question. I don't really see why you couldn't have gender neutral policies in place unless they were specifically sanctioned for the protection of women due to safety concerns.
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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:14 pm
Yukaphile wrote: Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:57 pm Yes. I see any gender differences as minor and trivial, and mostly socially ingrained, from culture and early childhood.
Yeah, the prevalent issue has to do with how much the gender roles are actually enforced upon people, whether socially or institutionally or otherwise. I'm sure there's people that aren't very clear on pertinent differences specifically, but it's not a contention of whether there is or isn't differences in sex or even gender correlated to sex. I've personally never heard anybody advocate that there's no difference, and I'd think that's just anecdotal.
I see no difference between men and women apart from physical strength and children. That's it. The rest is nurture. And that is something that we are proving every day with the amount of previously male and female dominated roles that are breaking down, particularly the military and the emergency services.
Frankly, whenever this subject comes up, there is always someone that sounds sexist as f- who is arguing why women cannot do something. Not saying that's you btw.
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Slash Gallagher wrote: Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:28 pm
Yukaphile wrote: Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:57 pm Yes. I see any gender differences as minor and trivial, and mostly socially ingrained, from culture and early childhood.
Would you say that if your contry was at war and your country was invaded?
What has that got to do with anything that Yuka was saying? You're reaching badly.
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clearspira wrote: Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:27 am
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:14 pm
Yukaphile wrote: Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:57 pm Yes. I see any gender differences as minor and trivial, and mostly socially ingrained, from culture and early childhood.
Yeah, the prevalent issue has to do with how much the gender roles are actually enforced upon people, whether socially or institutionally or otherwise. I'm sure there's people that aren't very clear on pertinent differences specifically, but it's not a contention of whether there is or isn't differences in sex or even gender correlated to sex. I've personally never heard anybody advocate that there's no difference, and I'd think that's just anecdotal.
I see no difference between men and women apart from physical strength and children. That's it. The rest is nurture. And that is something that we are proving every day with the amount of previously male and female dominated roles that are breaking down, particularly the military and the emergency services.
Frankly, whenever this subject comes up, there is always someone that sounds sexist as f- who is arguing why women cannot do something. Not saying that's you btw.
Well whenever you hear about it in media like viral news or the news, then it's likely to be straight sexism. And if you hear it from someone on the internet, then it's likely to be some rando that doesn't really have their facts straight (given that they're not actually an asshole, though can obviously still come off as arrogant). Any identity group along the lines of sex (or even gender), ethnicity, or orientation etc... typically doesn't hold exclusive any type of characteristics commonly associated with them. Sex though I think does have an influence on social demeanor, but yeah nurture and conditioning can override that to a great or full extent.
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I think he's referring to my view on WWII criminals, which give me credit on this, I haven't brought up once on my own since I got back. Instead, others keep doing so...
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Yukaphile wrote: Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:42 am I think he's referring to my view on WWII criminals, which give me credit on this, I haven't brought up once on my own since I got back. Instead, others keep doing so...
From what I see in this thread it looks like just the contention of whether there is a difference between men and woman or not, which is beside the point as far as I can tell. Both positions have truth to themselves, but that's not the center of the issue.
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Well, I'm a Feminist, support MeToo, have read a lot of stories I believe in, and am pretty sex-positive. I believe in legalization of male and female prostitutes. :)
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Yukaphile wrote: Sun Dec 30, 2018 5:54 am Well, I'm a Feminist, support MeToo, have read a lot of stories I believe in, and am pretty sex-positive. I believe in legalization of male and female prostitutes. :)
I'd like to hope so.
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