STD - The War Without, The War Within

[Makeshift Python]

One of the things I was glad about Chuck's reviews was him not giving a shit about the change in aesthetics, opting to focus more on the story and its characters. Chuck understands it's not 1966 anymore and that the old sets would not sell for modern audiences for a longrunning show.

And I agree believe it or not. However my argument is very simple: there are such things as sacred cows and the original Enterprise is one of them. Note how TNG, DS9 and ENT when they showed this ship gave it to us in its full cardboard glory because I am guessing that even Berman and Braga realised this. Whatever their intentions are with showing this ship (and I am quite sure it is fanservice) it is going to backfire horribly.

Except those were one-off tribute episodes. Had Berman set a show primarily in the 2260s I highly doubt he would have settled with sticking to the original set designs without some kind of alteration to make them look futuristic (which they no longer look by now). You can easily get away with Scotty revisiting his old bridge for a few minutes, but not throughout an entire show. The sooner fans realize that an accept it, the less aggravated they are.

And on the subject of aesthetics, this is where ENT got it right as there is a design lineage on the NX-01 bridge. There is T'Pol's view scanner, the viewscreen that is actually a viewscreen, Hoshi's earpiece, the touchscreens with TOS style flashing lights. There are ways to do it with a dash of love and effort to update a show and keep lore consistent. Or even better, sidestep the whole problem and set it in the 25th century because none of these conversations would now be happening as we would be expecting Discovery to look advanced. By far STDs greatest own kick to the balls was trying to fit this radically different looking ship into a period of Trek history where it does not belong.

Funny thing is I remember fans complaining that the NX-01 looked too advanced in spite of the efforts made by the filmmakers, because it featured LCD displays and such.

When the makers talk about this being set in Prime universe, they're talking about events more than they are about aesthetics. Once fans accept that, less aggravation. If not, there's always the fan films that stays dedicated to the old aesthetics.

[clearspira]

One of the things I was glad about Chuck's reviews was him not giving a shit about the change in aesthetics, opting to focus more on the story and its characters. Chuck understands it's not 1966 anymore and that the old sets would not sell for modern audiences for a longrunning show.

And I agree believe it or not. However my argument is very simple: there are such things as sacred cows and the original Enterprise is one of them. Note how TNG, DS9 and ENT when they showed this ship gave it to us in its full cardboard glory because I am guessing that even Berman and Braga realised this. Whatever their intentions are with showing this ship (and I am quite sure it is fanservice) it is going to backfire horribly.

Except those were one-off tribute episodes. Had Berman set a show primarily in the 2260s I highly doubt he would have settled with sticking to the original set designs without some kind of alteration to make them look futuristic (which they no longer look by now). You can easily get away with Scotty revisiting his old bridge for a few minutes, but not throughout an entire show. The sooner fans realize that an accept it, the less aggravated they are.

And on the subject of aesthetics, this is where ENT got it right as there is a design lineage on the NX-01 bridge. There is T'Pol's view scanner, the viewscreen that is actually a viewscreen, Hoshi's earpiece, the touchscreens with TOS style flashing lights. There are ways to do it with a dash of love and effort to update a show and keep lore consistent. Or even better, sidestep the whole problem and set it in the 25th century because none of these conversations would now be happening as we would be expecting Discovery to look advanced. By far STDs greatest own kick to the balls was trying to fit this radically different looking ship into a period of Trek history where it does not belong.

Funny thing is I remember fans complaining that the NX-01 looked too advanced in spite of the efforts made by the filmmakers, because it featured LCD displays and such.

When the makers talk about this being set in Prime universe, they're talking about events more than they are about aesthetics. Once fans accept that, less aggravation. If not, there's always the fan films that stays dedicated to the old aesthetics.

As I say, should have saved their balls and set it in the 25th century. No one would have been aggrieved and they would have had freedom to do whatever they liked.
Fan films such as Axanar you mean?

[Yukaphile]

As far as I'm concerned, STD is just from another parallel universe. It doesn't belong in the Prime Universe. At all. Past greedy corporatism.

[Makeshift Python]

As I say, should have saved their balls and set it in the 25th century. No one would have been aggrieved and they would have had freedom to do whatever they liked.

They could have, but for whatever reason Bryan Fuller wanted the series set in that time period and was willing to update the look of the series believing most fans weren't too big sticklers for continuity. After all, we went on for a good 25 years without having an explanation for why the Klingons looked so radically different in TMP, because Roddenberry assumed most fans were grown ups that didn't take such drastic changes as alluding to some large event that altered their look. Then ENT felt that needed to be addressed, and so those fans finally got their wish, but it begs why other races looked different between different Trek productions.

Fan films such as Axanar you mean?

I was thinking more like Star Trek Continues. I thought Axanar was axed after its creator misused funds?

[Karha of Honor]

I maintain that the doctor was never really a character on the show. He was a box on a PC checklist for them to check off. And hey, they still have his partner around, so that box is still technically checked off.

He was a nice presence, his relationship did not look forced, his interractions with the crew seemed all natural.

His death had the intended effect on me.

[Actarus]

I maintain that the doctor was never really a character on the show. He was a box on a PC checklist for them to check off. And hey, they still have his partner around, so that box is still technically checked off.

The info I got is that Wilson Cruz (Dr Culber) will return during season 2, but in the main cast. How? Why? My guess is that it has something to do with spores and those strange "red angels" seen in the trailer.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

As far as I'm concerned, STD is just from another parallel universe. It doesn't belong in the Prime Universe. At all. Past greedy corporatism.

Actually capitalism was abandoned even by this point in the universe.

I maintain that the doctor was never really a character on the show. He was a box on a PC checklist for them to check off. And hey, they still have his partner around, so that box is still technically checked off.

He was a nice presence, his relationship did not look forced, his interractions with the crew seemed all natural.

His death had the intended effect on me.

You mean the effect as far as dramatics or the problematic trope?

[Makeshift Python]

I like that Chuck featured the scene with Stamets asking Ash if he feels any kind of regret or guilt for what he did, as much as it may hurt Stamets to confront Ash about it he's at least trying to show some kind of empathy in understanding where Ash's mindset is, which is a quality Trek should always highlight as something humanity should strive more for.

[Jonathan101]

I like that Chuck featured the scene with Stamets asking Ash if he feels any kind of regret or guilt for what he did, as much as it may hurt Stamets to confront Ash about it he's at least trying to show some kind of empathy in understanding where Ash's mindset is, which is a quality Trek should always highlight as something humanity should strive more for.

I don't think he was aiming for empathy. I think he was expressing his disgust and trying to make him feel guilty.

[Makeshift Python]

I like that Chuck featured the scene with Stamets asking Ash if he feels any kind of regret or guilt for what he did, as much as it may hurt Stamets to confront Ash about it he's at least trying to show some kind of empathy in understanding where Ash's mindset is, which is a quality Trek should always highlight as something humanity should strive more for.

I don't think he was aiming for empathy. I think he was expressing his disgust and trying to make him feel guilty.

It came down to “maybe you’re still human” the way Stanets realizes he was only hurting Ash as much as he was hurting himself which is why he immediately bolted. At least that’s how I read it.